Mead Lover's Digest #0537 Wed 12 February 1997


Forum for Discussion of Mead Making and Consuming
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor



Re: Texas mead producers (Tyler Weaver)
Re: 1997 MCM/Inside Mead (Marc Shapiro)
AMA confusion (
Texas meads ("Kenyon D. Cox")
Re: Mead Lover's Digest #536, 7 February 1997 (John A. Carlson, Jr.)
AMA, Inside Mead (Dick Dunn)
Bee strain error, et al (Ken Schramm)


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Subject: Re: Texas mead producers
From: (Tyler Weaver)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 22:09:20 -0600 (CST)

> Subject: Texas producers…
> From: (Lisa Wheeler)
> Date: 04 Feb 97 11:41:50 CST
> Hi, I'm new to the list…to be honest, I'm a consumer, not a
> producer, having just discovered mead last week (big article in our
> Austin paper about producers in New England and I rushed out and
> bought some Chaucer's (the only thing available in Austin, Texas).
> Which leads me to this question…are there any mead producers in
> Texas? Thanks for your help.
> – -Lisa Wheeler
Hi Lisa,
There is at least one meadery in Texas. The Golden Grail Meadery is in
the Deep Ellum area of Dallas, on Main St. They sell 750ml bottles of
sparkling melomel (fruit flavored mead). There are 3 or 4 different varieties
I think they all are pretty good. Price is ~$12-14/bottle, if I remember.
It is available in some of the beer stores around Dallas, I don't know about
Austin. Check Whole Foods or a well stocked liquor store.
They offer free samples in the tasting room, if you're ever in the area.


  • –Tyler

Subject: Re: 1997 MCM/Inside Mead
From: Marc Shapiro <>
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:35:23 -0500

Subject: 1997 MCM/Inside Mead
From: (Daniel S. McConnell/DSMBook)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:40:33 -0500 (Daniel S. McConnell/DSMBook) wrote:

> I am particularly irked by a number of things in this issue beside
> re-publishing old, outdated and inaccurate material. To make the claim
> that they have found the solution for varroa and tracheal mites is
> preposterous. To make the claim that Charlie Papazian did not know > what
> Braggot was before being told by Julian at the 1996 AHA conference is
> stunningly ridiculous.

Thanks, Dan. These items bothered me, too. If they can not spell
apistan (with an 'n' _not_ an 'm') it makes you wonder just how well
they researched that answer. Doesn't it? There were also quite a few
typos and misprints, as if they were in a rush to get _something_
printed to show that they were still a viable operation. I have my
doubts, just now. I'll wait and see what the _next_ issue looks like.

Marc Shapiro

Visit 'The Meadery' at:

"If you drink melomel every day, you will live to be 150 years old,
unless your wife shoots you."

  • –Dr. Ferenc Androczi, Winemaker of the Little Hungary Winery

Subject: AMA confusion
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 07:09:13 -0500 (EST)

OK, I know there's been a lot of confusion about the AMA. To my
knowledge I was the first to post about them in recent weeks. I
spoke to Andy myself by telephone and he was clear with me that
he would TRY to resurrect the AMA. I voiced my frustration at
receiving only one issue since I signed up last year, and he
made no mention at all about an upcoming issue, which I read
about here maybe five or six days later. To beat it all, I
haven;t gotten my copy yet, even though he pulled up my address
on his computer and confirmed my membership.

So, I apologize for any unwitting role I've played in spreading
confusion about the AMA, but I'm left with the strong
impression that they (he?) doesn't really know at this point
either. I hope, I SINCERELY hope it works out for them!

Whispering down the lane,

David Prescott, Shaftsbury, Vermont

Subject: Texas meads
From: "Kenyon D. Cox" <>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 11:09:02 -0500

>From #536 (Lisa Wheeler) asks about Texas meads.
Last time I was in Grapevine (D/FW-area) Texas I stopped in a tasting room
sampled, and purchased a bottle of the following:

Smith Estate Scarborough Mead
Produced and Bottled by La Buena Vida Vineyards
WSR Box 18-3
Springtown, TX 76082
(817) 237-9463
Contains sulfites
9.5% by volume
About $8 per bottle

Was a little less sweet than Chaucer's as I recall. Good luck in your

Kenyon Cox
Belpre, Ohio

Subject: Re: Mead Lover's Digest #536, 7 February 1997
From: (John A. Carlson, Jr.)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 09:15:02 -0700 (MST)

>Fortunately, your source seems to be incorrect. I just received Vol 11
>Number 1 (Winter '97) of _Inside Mead_. About half of the issue was
>written by Julian Strekal, including the editorial answers to readers'

Well Mark, let us know when your next issue arrives. You see, that will be
the real test
of the organization's staying power as the winter issue was in the
production pipeline for quite some time. The latest I heard was that
Julian is now somewhere in the mid-west. Maybe he has relocated the
organization. Time will tell all.

  • –John Carlson

AMA member?

Subject: AMA, Inside Mead
From: (Dick Dunn)
Date: 9 Feb 97 13:29:27 MST (Sun)

Re Dan McConnell's comments in the last MLD: I too have some grave
concerns about the AMA based on the most recent issue of _Inside_Mead_.

It was surprising to see it labeled a "double issue", since it's no longer
than the average _Inside_Mead_. I hope this isn't a way to reduce obli-
gations to subscribers (by counting it as two issues).

Overall, I hope the current troubled times for the AMA and _Inside_Mead_
can be resolved–one way or another–fairly soon. I feel the meadmaking
community needs some sort of organization, a magazine, etc. to help it

Dick Dunn rcd at Boulder County, Colorado USA

…Simpler is better.

Subject:  Bee strain error, et al
From: Ken Schramm <>
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:54:20 -0500

I need to correct an error in my previous post. I mentioned the
carnollian bee, and there is no such beast. The strain of european
bees I meant to refer to is the carniolan bee, apis mellifera
carnica, from eastern central europe, which is known to be very
productive, cold tolerant and perhaps the most gentle or docile of
the honey bees. They are subject to both types of mite infestation.
I also wanted to make clear that there are some strains of docile
africanized honey bees, but the public doesn't really understand that

Sorry for the error.

Thanks to Mark Koopman. I was the one looking for Cherry blossom

Lastly, I haven't received a copy of the AMA 'zine yet, but I was not
contacted about the use of any of the material that I submitted before
the tragedy. If anything of mine has been published, this is the
first I've heard of it.


Systems that are out of balance fail.

End of Mead Lover's Digest #537