How much is too much Camden/KMS?

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Just checked the gravity: 0.992. It is still dropping, put to 12.94% ABV. The weather is nice and warm. I hope the D-47 can handle it.

Also, no matter how hard I try to return the reading sample to the carboy gently... it always cavitates a bit and creates bubbles. I am afraid of oxidizing it further. Anyone have a good technique for neatly putting a sample back in a 1 gallon carboy?
 
Just checked the gravity: 0.992. It is still dropping, put to 12.94% ABV. The weather is nice and warm. I hope the D-47 can handle it.

Also, no matter how hard I try to return the reading sample to the carboy gently... it always cavitates a bit and creates bubbles. I am afraid of oxidizing it further. Anyone have a good technique for neatly putting a sample back in a 1 gallon carboy?
I just took a quick look and didn't see that anyone mentioned the caveat that's carried by D47.

It's fermentation temperatures. If fermented above about 70F/21C, it, apparently, can produce fusels that can take a long time, if ever to mellow/age.

I think that Medsen knows more about this than me, my ferments rarely get that warm here.
 
I just took a quick look and didn't see that anyone mentioned the caveat that's carried by D47.

It's fermentation temperatures. If fermented above about 70F/21C, it, apparently, can produce fusels that can take a long time, if ever to mellow/age.

I think that Medsen knows more about this than me, my ferments rarely get that warm here.
Oy. It's been between 80 and 90 F here for the last several weeks.
 
Alright, so all is not lost. And, according to my last taste, it hasn't gone over the edge yet.

I could just put in enough vodka to bring it to 14% and end fermentation. Is that an option?
 
So, some humble, head hanging low moments for me....

In another thread, those more wise than me urged me to not be afraid of oxygenating the must while taking gravity readings of this mead. Ok. I did it.

The must is still slowly fermenting. It has gone down to 0.990.

Also, to those who advised me to get the mead off the oak (I had it going for too long with too much oak), I now detect an oak-y, woodsy flavor. I don't mind it at all, I don't think it's too strong. But, another taster felt that the flavor of the honey wasn't as prevalent as a prior batch with less oak time. This is duly noted -- I want the flavor of the honey to shine through, and this honey has great floral flavors that I'd rather preserve.
 
I could just put in enough vodka to bring it to 14% and end fermentation. Is that an option?

http://www.winemakermag.com/stories/...313-fruit-port

Unless you're trying to make port, not advisable. Per that article above, under "Stop in the name of port" (halfway down), you'd have to add A LOT (about 0.66 gallon per gallon of mead -- their calculation has it at 3.3gal for a 5-gallon batch) of vodka to raise the alcohol content past the yeast's tolerance.

You'd probably have to backsweeten like crazy as you're gonna end up with dry jet fuel.
 
http://www.winemakermag.com/stories/...313-fruit-port

Unless you're trying to make port, not advisable. Per that article above, under "Stop in the name of port" (halfway down), you'd have to add A LOT (about 0.66 gallon per gallon of mead -- their calculation has it at 3.3gal for a 5-gallon batch) of vodka to raise the alcohol content past the yeast's tolerance.

You'd probably have to backsweeten like crazy as you're gonna end up with dry jet fuel.

:eek:

I had no idea. I decided not to do it, due to prior suggestions. But... geez, now it's out of the question for future use, too. However, your link doesn't work. Could you re-post it?

The lesson here for me is to plan out my meads with a bit more care (I didn't know about the mead calculator here before I joined) and also to PAY ATTENTION to the names of my potassium additives to make sure that I am adding the right stuff at the right time (read: whacking my forehead with a cricket bat. I need the flat edge to make the proper dent.)

Oh -- and to the prior post: I have been making a gallon of mead at a time, and that's too small a batch to drink many samples. Soooo... I switched to 3 gallon carboys, 'cause I'm a quick student. :)
 
Chin up!
You've made mead! Now you just need to perfect your recipe.:)

The oakiness will mellow with age, and the honey will become more prominent.

You're right, of course and, I don't mind the woodsy-ness. It certainly isn't ruined. It is exactly as you mention. For the mead that I just started recently, I will be sure to be gentler with the oak.

Mind you, I am new to mead, and the first meads that I am tasting are my own. To me, the scents and flavors are all new -- and all good. My fellow taster is also new to meads. The first she tasted was my first mead. We can only compare this mead to my first, and to white wines.

I am sure that by the winter holidays, it will taste mellower.
 
I think this batch may be finished. Took a gravity reading: 0.992.

Hmm... from 23 days ago, I wrote this--
...The must is still slowly fermenting. It has gone down to 0.990

Now, I am pretty sure that I spun that hydrometer good (its a habit I have gotten into), so the only reasons that it could have gone up are that
(a) with the temperature swings, twice the sanitizer solution (star san) in the airlock has gotten sucked down into the gallon of must, and may have diluted it a little bit, or
(b) bubbles on the side of the hydrometer messed up my prior reading.

In either case, the reading is not going down. And, I am at the maximum calculated ABV (or a bit beyond) of 12.34%

It has not cleared to be perfectly transparent. I have some bentonite on order, and I will be using it to clarify. It will be my first time using it. Hope to bottle this batch within the next couple of weeks.

I will NOT be adding any sorbate or KMS.
 
This batch is bottled. From losses, and due to only starting as a one-gallon batch, I only got 7 1/2 Grolsch 15 oz bottles from it.

I will let it sit a week before I put a bottle in the fridge and try it out. The rest... I will keep as long as I have room for the bottles -- my current batch may be ready in 3 months or so.
 
Had a good exchange with a manufacturing supplier. I asked: "I have noticed that many recipes online use camden/sorbate in fruit prior to pitching, and similar with grape wines. Why does it require it?" I am interested because I am preparing to make my first mel.

Sometimes it's good to ask "stupid" questions. I say "stupid" because I have read a lot about the skins of fruit bearing wild beasties, and I thought I knew the answer. But, I have learned that asking the question you thought you knew the answer to sometimes gives informative results.

Answer:
Sorbate should never be put in prior to fermentation. It's entire purpose is to prevent fermentation. You put it in later if you want to sweeten the wine to keep the yeast from starting up again. [Ok, I kinda knew this part already.]

Camden tablets are poor bacteria killers. Its main purpose is as an anti-oxidant. It's also best to use this post fermentation to keep the wine from oxidizing. They’re good enough to dampen a wild yeasts’ enthusiasm a bit, but if they were effective, they’d kill the regular yeast as well. Sulphites – whether sodium or potassium don’t really accomplish that very well anyway.

Most commercial red wine sits for 2-3 weeks in primary before being racked out – primary is big huge open containers with lots of exposure to air. Additionally, they’re getting stirred around by having he fruit cap punched down twice a day for at least the first week. It’s not really a big deal, but home winemakers are absolutely set on this idea that sulphites are there to kill bugs. But, that really, really isn’t why they’re used commercially. I’ll qualify – there’s some bacteriostatic properties to sulphites. But, it’s not the primary reason they’re used commercially.

(if he visits this site, I hope he doesn't mind me reposting some of his informative and helpful email to me)

I never really understood before that campden/kms was really used to prevent oxidation.
 
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:​

3 cheers to all those who gave me patient advice on this batch!

I had a chilled 15 oz bottle of this tonight -- still young, an infant, bottled just a week ago -- and it tastes dandy. Really, very lovely floral notes and yes, it's more oakey than the prior batch I made. The oak is not at all distracting. The flavor is just a bit more tannic than my first batch, and it has pretty good structure.

Actually, considering this was only Mead #2 for me, it came out great. I will certainly enjoy these few bottles. And, I will only be making larger batches from now on. (C'mon! Only 7 Grolsch bottles from a gallon batch, I need more than that!)

The most important things I learned as a result of this thread was that I should always plan on fermenting until gravity is nice and stable, and that I should really pay attention when I am putting stabilizers in (:BangHead:)

Thanks again!