Eliminating air when racking

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Tiwas

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Would it be an idea to fill the carboy with co2 when racking and bottling? I noticed that seems to be what the beer people are doing...From what I read about regular mead it shouldn't be a problem, but next batch will be honey+blackcurrant, honey+blueberry and honey+apple...
 
It's certainly a good idea to do if you have any headspace after racking. And, it's fairly common practice with the mazers of these boards. That, or using inert objects to fill up the space. Personally, I use CO2.
 
I don't think I'll get much spare room in the carboy as I made 24,5+l of must for a 23l carboy. I was thinking more about not getting *any* air in it when racking...
 
I've been wondering the same sort of things. I have my third batch almost finished fermenting and my first 2 have finished waiting to clear. Should I use CO2 when I rack?

First 2 batches are straight mead, third is a pyment with Concord grape concentrate.
 
is it not ok to just top up with water or a honey water mix? i know you have to wait till its finished fermenting or stabilize etc

you dont want to top of with just water or honey because it will throw your SG off, if you want to top off your head space with a liquid you'll want to make a batch of mead with a similar SG of the batch you are topping off and top off with that. I personally use C02 though its just easier and cheaper. You can also use glass beads but that may get expensive as well and you loose alot of volume when racking off of them.
 
right, makes sense. well i did top up with basicly pure honey slightly watered down , SG was at 0.990 now gone up to 1.220. and i think its fermenting slightly as well as got 1 little bubble in airlock every 30 seconds.

whats the worst case scenario for this? i presume i just wont be able to guess the alchohol content?
 
right, makes sense. well i did top up with basicly pure honey slightly watered down , SG was at 0.990 now gone up to 1.220. and i think its fermenting slightly as well as got 1 little bubble in airlock every 30 seconds.

whats the worst case scenario for this? i presume i just wont be able to guess the alchohol content?

if its at 1.220 and its done fermenting it is going to be sickly sweet, that is basically the OG that alot of people initially start with before pitching yeast, you could wait it out and see if it the yeast restart and ferment it to a lower gravity, you could re-pitch some yeast and re-ferment to lower your gravity, or save the batch for topping up low gravity meads in the future.
 
yeah had a taste, its pretty sweet but not to over powering. think the yeast has kicked back in so im just going to let it do its own thing for a few months before i bottle it up. my point was, how do i work out the alchohol content?

sorry trying hard not to commandeer this thread, SG Was 1.072, then fell to a consistent 0.990 for 3-4 weeks before i attemted to back sweeten with the honey and is now at 1.220.
 
Your SG after the top up doesn't seem right to me. Honey, on average, has a SG of around 1.417 or so. To bring your 0.990 batch up to 1.220 (roughly half way in-between the finish gravity of your mead and raw honey), you would have had to mix an equal volume of pure honey in with your mead. You didn't "top up" to that extent, did you?
 
Back to the OP, Tiwas isn't talking about using CO2 to purge whatever headspace is left, he/she/etc is talking about pumping CO2 into the empty carboy before racking (and to be effective I think you'd have to keep pumping whilst racking, CO2 will dissapate out of there pretty darned fast, especially with a liquid flowing into the carboy and creating currents in the gasses) in order to prevent any oxidization during the racking process itself.

2 thoughts on this. 1, yes you could do this and yes it will help prevent oxidization if you can manage to keep the carboy full of CO2 the whole time. 2, is it necessary for a melomel? Not really. For centuries people have been racking wines (which are very O2 sensitive) without anything like this, and have been making excellent wine. A small amount of oxidization can help the clearing process, and can add complexity to a wine/mead. The amount of oxidization that will occur during racking (assuming there is no splashing) is very negligable.

Now beer (or braggots) is another matter. Beer is very sensitive to oxidization, far more than mead or wine - so that's why you'll see some beer makers taking extra precautions.


So - nothing wrong with doing it, but it is not necessary to do this to make the best mead possible.
 
Well said, AToE. I use a continous flow of CO2 into the carboy into which I am racking my meads- because this is how I always do beers- but it is probably not necessary- I am just compulsive about preventing oxidation. One small advantage of using CO2 for racking, is that, by using a carboy cap, you can very easily start the siphon with the positive CO2 pressure.
 
right, makes sense. well i did top up with basicly pure honey slightly watered down , SG was at 0.990 now gone up to 1.220. and i think its fermenting slightly as well as got 1 little bubble in airlock every 30 seconds.

whats the worst case scenario for this? i presume i just wont be able to guess the alchohol content?

I tend to be hydrometer challenged, so when my I make additions that change my gravities I use a vinometer to determine the alcohol in the finished mead. Its a handy little gadget your brew supply store should carry and costs about $6-$7 dollars. Well worth it! Note, though, it only works on still meads.
 
I tend to be hydrometer challenged, so when my I make additions that change my gravities I use a vinometer to determine the alcohol in the finished mead. Its a handy little gadget your brew supply store should carry and costs about $6-$7 dollars. Well worth it! Note, though, it only works on still meads.
One other thing to point out is that it only works accurately on dry meads/wines. Any residual sugar remaining in the mead will add error to the vinometer measurements, so from my perspective, the tool has limited usefulness.
 
Back to the OP, Tiwas isn't talking about using CO2 to purge whatever headspace is left, he/she/etc is talking about pumping CO2 into the empty carboy before racking

Thanks (both for clarifying it to the others and the answer) :)

I still have an urge to be anal about the process after my one failure (but - like you say - plain meads are recillient (sp?), which was proven by the fact that my first mead was actually drinkable :p )