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Ugh, I've got a whole stupid system... I went to the wine store and they gave me a bunch of wine cases (boxes with the divider inserts) and dirty bottles go in right-side up, clean ones upside-down, that way I can tell the difference and I know that no spiders will have crawled into the clean ones and died (or not, as the case was with one of my carboys once, boy were both of us surprised) and I can just sanitize and use them without washing again.

I have a bucket that fits seven wine bottles, so I put a drip of detergent in each bottle and a squirt in the bucket, fill each bottle AND the bucket with hot water and soak for at least 15 min, longer if the labels are less permeable. I find the plastic ones release better for being warmed anyway... So while they're soaking, I take the bottle brush to each bottle and then when the labels have soaked, I use a knife or spoon edge to scrape off the labels that want to play nice, using a plastic scrubbie for little bits of leftover glue, and the really stubborn ones get stainless steel scrubbie to get the paper off. Then I empty each scrubbed bottle's water into the next bottle going into the pail (it stays warm for hours, I can cycle dozens of bottles through before needing to change the water) and rinse it using my Bottle Blaster (attaches to the laundry tub faucet and blasts water up into the bottle), then it goes on the drying tree to drain, anything with a gummy label that refuses to come off goes into a box and eventually I take the Goo Gone to it but I don't like using that stuff around my wines so I tend to do it all at once so I only have to stink up the place and scrub it off my hands once.

When I'm ready to bottle, I use potassium metabisulphate in one of those sanitizer things (although mine is a different make from my bottle tree and doesn't fit on top of it, boo).

And for the record, most dishwashers don't get hot enough to sterilize, and with the amount of crap I occasionally find in the bottom of my drinking glasses (usually at the bottom of my glass of milk, ugh) when the dishwasher wasn't loaded quite right, I wouldn't trust that they're even clean.

Oh, and my favourite way of dealing with bottles I've just drank the contents of, and what I've recommended to the people who save bottles for me? Don't rinse, just shove the cork halfway back in. I've never had one go fuzzy, presumably there's enough alcohol to keep the buggies at bay, and everything inside stays moist, nothing dries on so when I do get around to washing it, it's no big deal...
 
I find one of those metal twirly scrubbers does a great job of getting stubborn labels off, and the glue residue. Not sure what they're called, kind of like a sponge made of twisted metal, available in most supermarkets.
 
When I go dumpster diving for bottles, or get them from friends, I tear off the foils, fill them up with warm water and stack them in my utility sink, soaking them for a couple of hours. This softens up the paper of the labels. I then take a razor scraper, like this one:
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and scrape the label off. I basically scrape the glass under the adhesive, and the label comes off, with minimal residue. After I dry the bottles I use some acetone and a paper towel to clean off the minimal remaining residue.

+1 on the bottle tree. Extremely handy for drying bottles. For storage I either put the empties in the wine rack (I have a couple of 144-bottle racks) or in wine boxes (with the cardboard dividers).
 
Think I found the thread you speak of alchemist in the mead making equipment section of the forum shortly after I started this thread.


There's a lot of info on bottle washing on another thread, but I can't find it.

Most uncooperative labels will come off in hot bleach water.
 
I find one of those metal twirly scrubbers does a great job of getting stubborn labels off, and the glue residue. Not sure what they're called, kind of like a sponge made of twisted metal, available in most supermarkets.

These? "Scrub buds" is what Amway calls their stainless steel ones.
 
When I go dumpster diving for bottles, or get them from friends, I tear off the foils, fill them up with warm water and stack them in my utility sink, soaking them for a couple of hours. This softens up the paper of the labels. I then take a razor scraper, like this one:
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and scrape the label off. I basically scrape the glass under the adhesive, and the label comes off, with minimal residue. After I dry the bottles I use some acetone and a paper towel to clean off the minimal remaining residue.

+1 on the bottle tree. Extremely handy for drying bottles. For storage I either put the empties in the wine rack (I have a couple of 144-bottle racks) or in wine boxes (with the cardboard dividers).

+ 1 Awesome that you go dumpster diving!
 
I love my bottle tree, it was worth it. I try to clean bottles immediately, usually leave them in hot water in the sink over night (labels come off easily) then a good scrubbing with a bottle brush, soap and hot water. I have some sanitizer in a spray bottle, so after I rinse I spray the inside and and put the bottle on the tree. When I'm ready to use them, I rinse with hot water and spray the inside again.
 
Bottle tree

I love my bottle tree. Especially since I bought the Sanitizer that sits on top. functional and ergonomic. I do not miss the days of filling bottles with a chlorine based sanitizer, then emptying, then rinsing. Now I just rinse, sanitize and hang on the tree. I have put the tree in the dishwasher recently too.
 
When I'm putting clean bottles on the tree, I'm not too picky but when I'm putting sanitized bottles on the tree I sanitize the tree first...
 
+ 1 Awesome that you go dumpster diving!
Yeah, I found a couple of prize spots. One is the recycling dumpster behind a wine bar. I go occasional Sunday mornings because they're closed Sundays. The other location is a group of restaurants. I'm not sure which restaurant produces the wine bottles (or if they all contribute), but Sunday mornings is always a bumper crop. Between them I can usually pick up about 4 dozen bottles on a Sunday morning. I could probably get more, but a) I don't really want to open every trash bag, and b) I run out of bottle-carrying capacity at 4 dozen, although I sometimes cram a few more in. :) I wear rubberized gloves when I go dumpster diving, because sometimes there are broken bottles and/or glasses.

I used to put the bottles in the oven to soften the label adhesive and peel the labels off, but that left too much adhesive behind and getting it off with acetone was a PITA. Soaking them and scraping them off is much easier, and I don't have to breathe as much acetone fume!

I have the bottle tree sanitizer top attachment, but I don't use it on the tree because IMO the tree is too unstable. I just use it on the floor.
 
Yeah, I found a couple of prize spots. One is the recycling dumpster behind a wine bar. I go occasional Sunday mornings because they're closed Sundays. The other location is a group of restaurants. I'm not sure which restaurant produces the wine bottles (or if they all contribute), but Sunday mornings is always a bumper crop. Between them I can usually pick up about 4 dozen bottles on a Sunday morning. I could probably get more, but a) I don't really want to open every trash bag, and b) I run out of bottle-carrying capacity at 4 dozen, although I sometimes cram a few more in. :) I wear rubberized gloves when I go dumpster diving, because sometimes there are broken bottles and/or glasses.

I used to put the bottles in the oven to soften the label adhesive and peel the labels off, but that left too much adhesive behind and getting it off with acetone was a PITA. Soaking them and scraping them off is much easier, and I don't have to breathe as much acetone fume!

I have the bottle tree sanitizer top attachment, but I don't use it on the tree because IMO the tree is too unstable. I just use it on the floor.

That's fantastic make sure you leave the place looking better than you found it!
 
I sheepishly admit to having just gone dumpster diving at the local recycling facility. There's curbside pickup here but there's also a centralized location that happens to have some short dumpsters just for glass (separated recycling, not single stream)

It's a bit embarrassing to be seen doing it (My daughter's pediatrician happened to stop by while doing it last time, that took some explaining) But today I made a pretty good haul.

2 Doz wine bottles, 43 bottles suitable for beer and even 2 grolsch bottles with a flip top.

Now I can bottle some of my beer that's been sitting plus I can start stuffing some of my mead away (My Mallow out and Loaded brew need to find a place other than a precious gallon jug at this point since they are going to take many years.)

I think my haul was worth the embarrassment
 
I sheepishly admit to having just gone dumpster diving at the local recycling facility. There's curbside pickup here but there's also a centralized location that happens to have some short dumpsters just for glass (separated recycling, not single stream)

It's a bit embarrassing to be seen doing it (My daughter's pediatrician happened to stop by while doing it last time, that took some explaining) But today I made a pretty good haul.

2 Doz wine bottles, 43 bottles suitable for beer and even 2 grolsch bottles with a flip top.

Now I can bottle some of my beer that's been sitting plus I can start stuffing some of my mead away (My Mallow out and Loaded brew need to find a place other than a precious gallon jug at this point since they are going to take many years.)

I think my haul was worth the embarrassment

I don't think you have anything to be embarrassed about! On the contrary your reusing something reducing waste. Good for you!
 
Veritas, Since you are local, if you need wine bottles, let me know. A member of our Ozaukee club, the Trubmeisters, used to work at a restaurant. We have a dozens of cases of bottles gathering dust. They still have labels though. :(
 
I don't think you have anything to be embarrassed about! On the contrary your reusing something reducing waste. Good for you!

Questionable legality though. In Canada anyway, trash-picking and going through recycle bins isn't legal, once it's kicked to the curb it becomes the City's propery.
 
Questionable legality though. In Canada anyway, trash-picking and going through recycle bins isn't legal, once it's kicked to the curb it becomes the City's propery.

From Freegan.info page


We aren’t lawyers but this is our best understanding as plain-old US citizens.

Dumpster diving is legal in the United States except where prohibited by local regulation. According to a 1988 Supreme Court Ruling (California vs. Greenwood), when a person throws something out, that item is now the public domain. Here is some language from that ruling: “It is common knowledge that plastic garbage bags left on or at the side of a public street are readily accessible to animals, children, scavengers, snoops, and other members of the public.”

However, if a dumpster is against a building or inside a fenced enclosure marked “No Trespassing,” you could be questioned, ticketed or even arrested by the police. Other law-enforcement tactics to discourage dumpster diving include:

- to ticket or arrest for littering (hence the legal as well as common courtesy reason to leave a trash area neater than you found it!);

- to ticket or arrest for disorderly conduct, if you are blocking a sidewalk or generally creating a ruckus while dumpster diving, or refuse to leave an area when requested to do so.

Unless a town or city has specifically made dumpster diving illegal, generally the police will not come unless called by a store manager or property owner. In our experience, this is yet another good reason to be courteous with any store employee (or resident with a dumpster) who questions the dumpster diving in progress, and to use common sense about how long an individual or group stays at any one trash location. If anyone asks you to leave, consider doing so, even if the law is on your side– there are plenty of other wasted resources to be found.
 
huh, I did a little checking around and it's not illegal in Canada (although if you're on their property and ask them to leave, you must) but I distinctly remember reading an article about an old lady who used to go through people's garbage and separate out their recyclables into the correct receptacles was arrested for doing so, guess it must have been a local bylaw then...
 
huh, I did a little checking around and it's not illegal in Canada (although if you're on their property and ask them to leave, you must) but I distinctly remember reading an article about an old lady who used to go through people's garbage and separate out their recyclables into the correct receptacles was arrested for doing so, guess it must have been a local bylaw then...

Its all a huge gray area no matter where you are that's for sure.