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If you can certify that the bees don't travel beyond the limits of your property, then maybe you could call your honey "organic". But, if your bees have access to county roads and highways that are maintained with the use of chemicals for weed control as are most roads in just about every town these days, even rural areas, then no, I wouldn't call your honey organic. Your 151 sections are most likely divided up by county roads, access roads possibly major paved roads, I don't know. And regarding placing hives in a forest, unless you travel to a completely uninhabited area of the forest (if you can deliver your hives there, you're not quite "out of the woods"...) even forests are not free from chemical use to control vegetation. Most streams and rivers in this country are contaminated now, and I guarantee you, if you can drive your hive into the middle of the forest, others will have access also, and someone has to maintain the road to get there.

There are very few places that are chemical free in America, even forests. You don't necessarily have to use chemicals, even rainwater contains toxic chemicals depending on where you live. The bottom line is, people sometimes toss the word organic around because they discovered they can charge more for their product and get away with it. And organic is so new to legislators that they don't even know how to legislate it. California is the worst, they have basically adopted livestock regulations to regulate organic products! Organic means 100% chemical-free, uncontaminated by water runoff, exposure from neighboring plant health treatments, and the use of non GMO seeds. And unless you're raising a crop of flowering plants on those 151 sections where the bees don't have to go far to collect pollen, then I probably wouldn't consider your honey organic.
 
This is gonna sound like me being an A**, but I wana get what would constitute ORGANIC in your eyes.

By those definitions of ORGANIC there are practically zero products, let alone honey, that are on or off the market anywhere in the world, if any. There will always be contamination in this modern world we live in, either purposeful or inadvertent. No matter where on the planet you live in the era of global pollution.

It is a matter of degrees, and what degree is acceptable to me is not the same as my friend, partner (who was an ORGANIC pear orchardist), neighbor, farmer, food producer, etc.

It seems that the only way for your standards to produce a true and pure organic ANYTHING is to produce it in a sterile lab environment with EVERY SINGLE VARIABLE controlled for. Makes it hard for nature to get passed the locked doors and armed security guards with their GMO dogs at the lab.


So here are a few questions:

First of all which is the better place to have your hives??
Monsanto?? Hey THEY will argue it's the best!
My neighbors yard where I watch him go through 4 gallons of roundup, spraying miracle-gro, and a few dozens of other chemicals 4 or more times a year??
151 miles with a 3 mile buffer zone that might have a road or two around it?? (Presumably owned and maintained by the people that own the property and hives)

What water is better??
Obviously the water from the sky is not fit for consumption anymore...
Sea water is nasty with all that rancid rain you don't seem to like...
Bottled water is in contact with industrial plastics, metals and chemicals at all steps of the process...

Then there is the plant, fertilizer, sun, air and so many more variables than I could even to begin thinking about. Any ONE of which makes the product ineligible as ORGANIC by your standards.
 
We're all gonna die.

And it won't be from broken legs or chainsaw accidents.

Gonna be talking about it on my show tonight, call in 317-489-9388, join Skype at JD Webb...we're live at 7pm pst, get the radio link from either here or here
 
Yet another thread degenerating into a debate on organic/natural??... yawn...
Wake me up when something interesting comes up.

Chemicals are bad? - try going without dihydromonoxide.
Hemlock can be both organic and natural - I still wouldn't recommend it for a metheglyn.

And so it goes...

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LOL Medsen Fey...I live a pretty chemically treated life, all the heart meds I have to take. I have HCM, will likely die from it in a few years, at least I probably won't die from eating a poisonous corn cob or turkey salad...LOL
 
I'm a pragmatist and go with as chemical free as possible, if that is labeled as organic, meh... I started off against using most common chems in ferments due to friends possible allergies. I found out what was actually used, instead of the totalitarian label "chems are bad" and now I just make sure they are labeled and they get their batch made separately. My mass of scripts say that I am not 100% organic myself to begin with, I just try and limit exposure to extra potential problems as I go along...

Sorry about the getting off topic...