First batch: No raisins or airlock, added more yeast. Oh boy.

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Being a Celtic pagan, I've decided to take the plunge and start making mead in time for my birthday and Ostara. Unfortunately, I forgot the raisins and the only ones I had at home were the yogurt-covered ones, and by then I was getting really impatient to just make something, so I did a quick Google search and found somewhat conflicting messages:

1) You need raisins to get more nutrients for the yeast. NO SKIPPING.

2) The ancient people needed raisins because wild yeast was much less robust than modern yeast. No raisins are fine, it's become a harmless throwback by now.

3) You need raisins because of the grapes' natural yeast cultures. NO SKIPPING.

4) The ancient people needed raisins because they needed more yeast AND more nutrients. Modern yeast is more robust, so just add 50% more yeast if you forget the raisins.

As for my recipe currently:

-I mixed it up yesterday (February 6) and tied a double-layer of muslin over the top of the jug, since I didn't want to wait two weeks for an airlock and it's pretty safe to say there are very few bugs in North California's winter that would need to be kept out of my mead.

-It's based off this short-mead/reduced variant of Joe's Ancient Orange.

-My ingredients are: Rita Miller Wildflower Honey (2lbs), Red Star bread yeast (1.5 tsp), half an orange, and half a gallon of Arrowhead water.

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Clearly, my approach to mead is VERY scientific and thought-out.

As of today, my mead smells mostly like orange juice, but with a tiny hint of yeast. So far it's fizzing slowly but steadily in my room, most likely due to the cold weather. (My kitchen is warm, but it's also pretty bright and I have very little room because it's an apartment kitchen. I decided to go with a dark and slightly cold room with more space, as opposed to a warmer but well-lit and crowded one.)

The world hasn't imploded yet, so should I keep on with this batch, or buy some supplies and make proper one just in case? I have a couple pictures of the jug, so if anyone wants to see, I can put the first day and first evening's shots in my next post.
 
The extra yeast thing is rubbish.......

The reduced honey will mean that the yeast will ferment it dry and you'll likely taste the orange pith......

Get rainsins during the day and put them in........

Change the cloth top for either a childs rubber balloon that you've put some pin holes in or some pieces of cling wrap that are secured with a rubber band - either will let excess gas out but maintain a little positive pressure......
 
You still have time to add the correct amount of honey and the raisins. If you don't add the honey, as FB says, it will go dry and be vile until your NEXT birthday or round about the next total solar eclipse on March 20th, 2015. Don't panic. Just pop 'round to the store and "GET THE HONEY JUNIOR" (extra points to whoever guesses the reference)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar9HNDDcMgQ
 
You still have time to add the correct amount of honey and the raisins. If you don't add the honey, as FB says, it will go dry and be vile until your NEXT birthday or round about the next total solar eclipse on March 20th, 2015. Don't panic. Just pop 'round to the store and "GET THE HONEY JUNIOR" (extra points to whoever guesses the reference)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar9HNDDcMgQ

The extra yeast thing is rubbish.......

The reduced honey will mean that the yeast will ferment it dry and you'll likely taste the orange pith......

Get rainsins during the day and put them in........

Change the cloth top for either a childs rubber balloon that you've put some pin holes in or some pieces of cling wrap that are secured with a rubber band - either will let excess gas out but maintain a little positive pressure......

So general consensus is: More honey (just another pound, or double it to four pounds?), get some raisins, and make a proper jury-rigged airlock out of saran wrap.

That's surprisingly fixable. I actually switched the cloth out for saran-wrap right after reading, so now it's just more honey and getting a box or two of raisins.
 
Looking at your log, you've pretty much halved the JAO recipe aside from the yeast so you might be OK, but honestly, the JAO recipe is good. It works. And there's still time to make this be a JAO. Just add another pound and a half of honey, the other half of the orange, a cinnamon stick and the box of raisins, top it up to a gallon. The jugs that spring water comes in are great for this.
 
So I might just make a full gallon of mead after all, but the previous posters just said I needed to get more honey to balance out the yeast, not that I had to double everything back to JOA's recipe. Is either way fine? And my sister bakes, so I may not need to buy cinnamon. Is the powdered form okay, or should I get a stick?
 
Take a look at the JAOM recipe which you seem to be close to and just the amount that it recommends. That should get you to an acceptable level.


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Take a look at the JAOM recipe which you seem to be close to and just the amount that it recommends. That should get you to an acceptable level.

I mentioned this right in my first post.

It's based off this short-mead/reduced variant of Joe's Ancient Orange.

I'm not opposed to making the original version of Joe's Ancient Orange for May Day/Bealtaine celebrations, but I picked the reduced three-week variant because 1) I don't know whether me and my sister can finish a full gallon of mead in a timely manner, and 2) I was planning on having mead for my birthday.
 
Regardless, adding more yeast is not going to speed up the ferment. It just makes the yeast work less. Not faster. So the mead will not be done any faster (if I am understanding what you were trying to do). It's better to have sweeter mead on your birthday that you can maybe dilute with some club soda and drink vs a bitter pithy drink you can't do anything with.

Actually, if you can get your hands on 1388, you still have time to make a gallon of BOMM that will be ready for you.


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I wasn't trying to make the yeast work faster. I was attempting to use an existing short-mead recipe and then forgot the raisins.

Then due to the conflicting messages I found on Google, I thought that I needed to add more yeast to compensate for the lack of whatever help the raisins provided. Turns out I was wrong, and I could have just kept it to a teaspoon of yeast like the original recipe.

If I'm right: The first two posters said that to fix the "too much yeast" problem, I just need to get a box of raisins and add another pound of honey, and I'll have a half-gallon of drinkable mead in about a month, like I originally intended.
 
If you are going to leave it at a half a gallon you need no more honey (actually a bit less, thus folks recommending scaling it up), just food for the yeast, that is the raisons, also find someplace a bit warmer to keep it..
Looks like you have half a JAOM variant minus the clove and the cinnamon stick, I'm not a big fan of JAOM but many are, but while this may be drinkable in that time frame, it won't be ready by most folks standards.
 
So no honey, but definitely raisins, and I'll see if I can find a warmer spot than my room. The raisins should be non-sulfited, right?
 
Right then! I added 12 or 13 Nice! brand raisins, and I gave the mead a few stirs so the raisins wouldn't sit on top of the oranges. Holy crap, it's fizzing enough for me to hear it and to make the saran-wrap bulge out--it hasn't even been ten minutes.

Jury's still up on the warmer spot, though. Even my kitchen's pretty cool now, due to the weather. Of all times for North California to finally get rain, it's when I want to make mead.

Edit: Found a warmer and relatively dark spot in the kitchen. My mead should be at least a few degrees warmer in a few hours.
 
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Aaaand I had to move it back to my room because it turned out to be an awkward spot, once we actually had to do stuff in the kitchen. Apartment-living, sigh.

Still fizzing pretty well, though. It seems to be cycling between relative stillness or slow fizzing, and then spurts of heavy fizzing every hour or so--is that normal?
 
The pressure likely builds up, it fizzes heavily for a while until the pressure drops then it slows down and the pressure builds up again etc, etc.
 
Don't forget, you dont get the full volume of whatever you make. You will lose some when siphoning etc.

I make my JOA to 1 imp gallon/4.55 litres and once its finished the ferment, the fruit has dropped and its clear, I get about 4 x 750ml bottles. Its usually working out about 11 to 12% ABV, so about a similar strength to a wine.

Now I don't do religions etc, so whether its used in a representative sort of way or something, I don't know, just that keeping the honey down will affect the palatability of it.

if it is used like that, representing something in a ceremonial type way, there's still likely no reason for it not to be as enjoyable as you can make it.....

If you're making it to 1 US gallon size you shoul end up with 3 to 3 and a half bottles. So id depends on how much needs to be used etc. It certainly isn't difficult for two people to get through that much in a session......
 
It's not going to be a big ritual--I just figured that if I was going to make some mead, making it in time for a pagan holiday would be ideal. I'm pretty low-key in ritual; after the mead's cleared and I'm pretty sure it tastes good, I'll rack it to a clean container and dedicate the first official cup (not including "check the taste sips") to the Irish gods.

Then I get drunk. :D

I hear mead gives horrific hangovers, but my first taste of it was Chaucer's and I had about half the bottle with an average hangover. I didn't want to get up and I couldn't talk for an hour or two, but it was hardly the head-splitting agony that some people say mead causes. But Chaucer's is known for being average to sub-par, though--it tasted like the drink equivalent of cardboard. And I'd made sure to eat and drink something beforehand, so that probably helped a lot.

Just to plan ahead: If the mead clears ahead of time and I think it tastes good, would I be able to stick it in the fridge/freezer for a while to kill the yeast off?

Also, how long should I wait before checking the taste? The intended aging time is three weeks, so should I taste-check in two weeks?

It's starting to smell pretty nice now--there's a faintly sweet undertone to the original orange-juice scent, which I'm pretty sure is the honey.
 
It's not going to be a big ritual--I just figured that if I was going to make some mead, making it in time for a pagan holiday would be ideal. I'm pretty low-key in ritual; after the mead's cleared and I'm pretty sure it tastes good, I'll rack it to a clean container and dedicate the first official cup (not including "check the taste sips") to the Irish gods.

Then I get drunk. :D

I hear mead gives horrific hangovers, but my first taste of it was Chaucer's and I had about half the bottle with an average hangover. I didn't want to get up and I couldn't talk for an hour or two, but it was hardly the head-splitting agony that some people say mead causes. But Chaucer's is known for being average to sub-par, though--it tasted like the drink equivalent of cardboard. And I'd made sure to eat and drink something beforehand, so that probably helped a lot.

Just to plan ahead: If the mead clears ahead of time and I think it tastes good, would I be able to stick it in the fridge/freezer for a while to kill the yeast off?

Also, how long should I wait before checking the taste? The intended aging time is three weeks, so should I taste-check in two weeks?

It's starting to smell pretty nice now--there's a faintly sweet undertone to the original orange-juice scent, which I'm pretty sure is the honey.



I've heard the same about mead hangovers. So far out of a dozen or so bottles of Sky River (A local Washington State Meadery) sweet & semi-sweet meads (I have 2 more brands of mead on order with my local liquor store owner, she want to try them almost as much as I do apparently!!), polishing off a bottle in one night has not produced a hangover for me... Then again my tolerance for things may be a little higher than some other peoples... ;D
 
I don't get hungover from a bottle of mead either. Red wines and dark spirits are a different matter......

I only just noticed the reference to a half gallon sized batch......

Can't make my mind up whether it should have been half an orange to keep within the JAO framework and proportions. If it did come out a bit to pithy, then it can just be stabilised and sweetened which should mask that.......

Plus the point of making meads at home Vs commercial made, is that it seems people often prefer the home stuff over the commercial. Whether it really is better, whether its the pride of having made it yourself or whether it because you have more control over the end product, I don't know.

just that I do prefer my own ones to the commercially made ones I've tasted.........