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Yeah, well... Police are like border agents, they don't always know all the laws themselves, sometimes they change and the updates aren't communicated... and I suppose it's possible that there might be provincial amendments like there are to legal drinking age? (19 in Ontario, 18 in Quebec)
 
wayneb said:
The laws down here are much murkier. Although some states (notably those with historically high European immigrant populations) have some on the books that allow serving of alcohol to children in a home setting, (generally with a disclaimer like in keeping with religious or family tradition), that isn't universally true. Additionally, if you allow a legally intoxicated minor to leave the family setting and to wander out in public where they are then apprehended, in most places you are then liable for child abuse - with very nasty consequences.
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I'm not even sure what the laws are here about underage drinking, most of my own underage drinking was done under parental supervision, even the incident that led to busted ribs at 16 (fell down stairs after family wedding, and I don't remember the fall, perhaps that should have been more closely supervised)... but I know in many parts of Europe, once you're old enough to ask for it, you're old enough to drink it... but there, there's FAR more of a social stigma to public drunkenness than there is here. I think it's a healthier attitude, encourages folks to figure out how not to overdo it, rather than getting smashed out of spite because you aren't supposed to.
 
An easy solution to all of it is to keep the little man safely tucked into the boxers at all times. Works every time.

As I've said before, I don't drink, and it's a strange combination that I am that doesn't like the buzz, doesn't particularly like the taste of alcohol, yet has long been fascinated with the science and the art of brewing. If my kids that drink told me tomorrow that they decided to stop (especially with all the alcoholism in the fam), the only thing that would bother me would be who's gonna drink the stuff I make?! :)

Of course, with one kid in Norway and one in HK, they don't really get much of mom's brew anyway--although they will be here this summer for HK son's wedding, and the Norge son will at least be heading home with as many bottles as he can safely stash in his luggage.
 
I have 3 sons, and have tried to explain to them the consequences for their actions, teaching young men responsibility can be difficult, however oldest is getting ready to start BLET training to become a police officer, middle son is a Marine and youngest son is planning on going into the Marines very soon so I think I've done well with the lesson.

I also have 5 daughters and I'm VERY well armed... ;)
 
Yikes that's a swarm of kids! You and your mate quadrupled yourselves!

I'm just going to get a vasectomy. Makes life easier for me, and I can always adopt if I want kids (no shortage of kids needing a home).

I've thought again and again about maybe going into the marines, but weirdly enough my main concern is that I'm trying to build a carreer right now, and taking however many years off to join the forces isn't a sacrifice I think I can make.

I am going to try and pass the firefighters exam when I'm 30 though, not really the same but it'll force me into similar shape physically. Plus, everyone loves firefighters, nobody ever has a problem with them! ;)
 
Hmmm, I feel a bit dumb now but I just realized we don't have marines... I'd always assumed we had a similar branch in our forces and every time I've looked into joining I'd actually only looked at regular infantry. Oh well, I've never fully understood the difference anyways other than that the marines have something to do with the ocean without being navy... and that they are considered more badass for reasons unknown to me, maybe elite training?

Fighter pilot would be pretty amazing, but I imagine there's a loooong line of people waiting for that job!
 
AToE said:
I'm just going to get a vasectomy. Makes life easier for me, and I can always adopt if I want kids (no shortage of kids needing a home).
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Don't even say that. I used to think like that - until I got the message I probably cannot have kids...
 
I'm pretty set on it frankly, it's not something I consider lightly, I've thought hard about it for the past 5 years. I don't hold anything against those who want to have kids, but over-population concerns me greatly, and adoption solves both that concern and any desire for a kid.

I do have pretty decent genetics though so I've also considered donating to a sperm bank just to help out the gene pool. (Wow, that really comes off as egotistical! ;) )

EDIT: oh, and my girlfriend supported the idea, but she's leaving me now so I have no loved one to consult with anymore!
 
Things change. I was set on not having kids until I was like 32 or 33. Then things changed to "oh, ok...if it happens by itself". Now, I would really sacrifice a lot to have one, but my hypothalamus has gotten a big blow and my girlfriends tube are blocked...Just take your time, and wear a condom until then. One day you might regret your decision ;)
 
I know I may regret it, but like I said, there's always adoption. And for us as a species to get our population under control someone is going to have to make sacrifices with reproduction. I'd be a hypocrite if I talked the talk but didn't walk the walk.

I'm not going to do it right away anyways.
 
I have a friend, a pediatric psychiatrist, who was quite certain at age 23 that he wouldn't ever want kids. Now, some 20yr later he's the happy uncle of genetically related kids, and is ever so grateful that he didn't render himself infertile, although he doesn't have a willing co-parent yet.

Food for thought.
 
Tiwas said:
Don't even say that. I used to think like that - until I got the message I probably cannot have kids...
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I have no regrets about my choice, I almost made a very stupid decision (think Russian Roulette) when blinded by puppy love at 20, so at 23 made certain it would never come to that again, now it would have to be a conscious decision requiring a financial investment and a reversal (or an act of god, I'd take that too). Tick, tock and I'm still waiting for that urge to kick up as I watch a lot of my friends with the joys and pains of parenthood, my biological clock at 35 should have been saying something by now if it was going to. And I don't think I like babies or even kids enough to adopt, I'd need the "it's YOURS" hormone rush, and honestly raising kids in this day and age scares the crap out of me... So I'm happily living vicariously through my nephews. Works for me.

Oh, and my husband? Initially he thought it would be a shame to let some really good genes go to waste and he's kind of right (so AToE, I honestly don't think you're being egotistical, some of us really ought not to pass on our problems anyway, gene pool needs chlorine!), but now that he's seen through my brother and our friends how much work kids are, interest dropped right off and that was the end of that.

I am of the firm belief that if you want kids, have them and do whatever you must, but if you don't, or you can't support them, DON'T, and take any measures necessary. There are enough of us on the planet already, and I have seen firsthand the lifelong impact on a child from parents who have no idea what to do with a child they didn't really want in the first place. Children should be loved and wanted, not just tolerated like an unwanted pet that you keep because you feel responsible for it.
 
Of course someone shouldn't have kids if they don't want them - but people change, and so do opinions. I can see the upside to both sides, and I'm fairly certain I will never, ever adopt someone else's kid. It has to be "a piece of me". If that doesn't happen, I'll spend the money it would cost to raise a child to buy a vacation home in the Bahamas :)

But I really would like to have someone who'd piss me off royally, only to realize I'm looking into my own innocent eyes - and then not tell them off anyway ;)
 
Ha, glad someone's backing me up on this!

I'm fully aware my mind could change, but if I want one that bad I can attempt a reversal, or they can suck some sperm outta me with a needle or whatever it is they do.

I don't put much stock in blood-relation, I have blood relatives that I care deeply about, but I have ones I don't, and I have non-blood friends/family that I care about as deeply or more than most of my blood relations. So for me, a child being biologically mine would certainly be neat, but a child to mold is a child to mold, genetics don't make parents, parents make parents.

It's as much a choice I'm making to make sure I cannot possibly have an accidental child, as it is an ethical one. I'm bowing out of reproduction for the sake of the species, but that doesn't mean I can't participate in raising the next generation. I have many blood-nieces and nephews to come that I will help raise, and many non-blood nieces and nephews already in existance and being influenced by me. I'll have to settle for that.
 
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