Listening to the Modern Mead Making section of GotMead Live, Questions

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CrimsonVelos

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Hey everyone,

As suggested to me in response to another post I've made, I'm listening to the GotMead Live radio show and specifically the episodes from September 2017 where Ryan goes over modern mead making techniques. I highly recommend listening to these, the information is plentiful and absolutely great. I got through 1.5 episodes when I realized, I should be taking notes. So I went back to the important parts that I was interested in and started writing things down. I plan to start a batch next month using what I've learned from this podcast(I'll of course post my recipe and planned methodology in detail at that point for feedback before I start). It's a much more hands on approach than I thought mead making was. I'm guessing for most new people here, they would prefer that. I know when I get into something new, I go all in and want to do a lot with it, so making a few batches and then waiting a month to do anything with them is not as interesting to me right now. I do believe good meads can still be made that way. I've had some and down the road as I get busy with other things, I might balance what I've learned about modern mead making with the hands off approach and experiment to find the balance that works for me. Anyway, my questions, which hopefully should be simple.

Ryan talks about aeration using pure O2 before pitching the yeast. That makes sense to me and I like that idea. I was a little confused later in the show when talking about adding nutrients, degassing, and oxygenating. It sounds like when oxygenating at 12-15 hours and again at 24-26 hours, he is doing so with just the lees stirrer. Is that the case or is he using pure O2 at those points as well?

Second, what's the best way to degas and keep the lees in suspension in a 1 gallon jug? I know that buckets were recommended, and I may use one, but incase I don't, I'd like to get an opinion on this. Most of the lees stirrers I've seen online say that they do not fit in a 1 gallon jug. My guess would be slowly rocking the jug in a circular motion to start degassing and then a harder stir/shake could be used without risk of MEA.

Finally, I'll admit I haven't done any searching on this yet, but if anyone has experience with keeping the mead on the lees with D21 yeast and keeping it stirred up after fermentation as Ryan describes. I've read in some places that some yeast are better for lees aging than others. Now this may not be considered lees aging, so it may be irrelevant to other things I've read, but in the show, it sounded like any yeast could be used with the method he described, keeping in mind of course whether there were off smells or not in the fermentation.
 
Hi

Ryan here. I'm glad you are enjoying the podcast. I wish everyone would listen to them. It would send people miles down the road in short order. And a ton os mistakes would be avoided.

I started using pure O2 2 years or so ago. ANd that is all I do now. Before that, I did use a drill and a lee's stirrer. I haven't made any mead in a gallon jug for a very long time. I don't think you could use a stirrer in them even if it did fit. There is way to little head space to allow for the foam without it all spilling over. The lees stirer is for buckets. And would highly suggest if you are going that route as soon as you can. For now just put your hand over the opening, shake, relase the gas, repeat.

D21 will work very nicely for long-term aging. After ytou have let the yeast stay in suspension for a while past the ferment. You will at some point want to let it settle enough that the rough lees will drop out. Rack it off that. The fine lees will still be in suspension if you only wait for 10-15 hours or so. Now. Once you have the fine lees in there you will want to egntly stir maybe 2 times a week to keep them in suspension for the entire time until you start to egt the nuances long term ageing will provide. 7-12 months or so. Cy3079 a
breaks down in 4-6 months. And everybody else takes twice that before they start to explode. D12 is a great yeast for this type of aging. If you can store this around 55-60f during this time that would be ideal. If not just try to store it in a coolish area of the house.
 
Shaking and releasing sounds like a great idea for the jugs. On the O2, I figured you'd still be using pure O2 at 12 and 24 hours, but I wanted to be sure. I bought the Oxygenation Kit 2.0 from Northernbrewer in order to start using pure O2. While I know those smaller hardware store O2 tanks aren't the best bang for my buck, I'd rather not spend a lot on a larger tank and the kit I'd need for it and end up not making that much mead that often. On sanitation of the wand before oxygenation, do you recommend boiling or something like Star San?

That's good to hear. I've read that some people love D21, and with it's higher temperature tolerance, I'm hoping it'll serve me well here in Alabama. I'm glad you mentioned fine lees versus rough lees. I didn't pick that up from the podcast. I'm not familiar with Cy3079 or what you mean by starting to explode?
 
The additions you receive from long-term aging on the lees happens for the most part once the yeast have died off and eventually will explode and all of the guts spill into the must.