McCain & Obama compete Celebrity Roast Style

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Oskaar said:
To me, it's the people that are settling on the "evil of two lessers" that are delaying a reform in the party and system. If more people would use their votes to send that message by voting out of party when they are not satisfied with their chosen candidate, then the political analysts and shrewd campaign tacticians of that party would seize on that statistic, and make changes in values and ideals for the next round. Politicos don't miss that type of trend and neither do political opportunists.

Well said Oskaar, and one of the underlying points I was trying to make. I stand beside Oskaar on this one, more people need to vote out of the two party system for the message to sink in with the Politicians. Flipping your allegiance between the two parties on the basis of who's the lesser of two evils only exacerbates things. Both parties need to know they can go to hell, and won't get our vote, until they start truly abiding by the Constitution, and working to restore it.

Cheers,
Jered Talbot
(Wrathwilde)
 
Indeed, both of the major parties are in desperate need of reform regardless of which way you swing. Many people are too afraid to vote their own politics and it sustains a corrupt middling system that represents the few over the many.
I think the introduction of run off voting is the best way to start getting third parties like the Independents or Greens any significant representation in this country, but until people can support those parties without being afraid of "losing" the election to the other team the major parties will never get the hint (or have to pay attention) to the real demands of the public.

Representative Voting Now!
http://instantrunoff.com/
 
those videos were hilarious!! I enjoyed them a lot.

We need to eliminate the predominately 2 party system and let politicians run on their past deeds and what they stand for. Maybe that will give those like Ron Paul more of a chance. It's too bad the networks don't give equal air time to all candidates.

Ron Paul did so well in the early polls.
 
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who's hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and McCain and their bid to be our next president.

The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, both of them are Post Turtles."
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a "post turtle" was.

The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle."

The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, and he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dummy put him up there to begin with."

I'm just ready for the election to be over, so the Brittany and Michael are making the headlines again :snorting:
 
From an outsiders POV, Obama seems much more plausible than McCain.

I also feel that McCain only picked the hockey stick with lipstick because "Hilary" didn't get the gig for the other lot, there's certainly been much less about Biden in our news.

On the face of it, Obama gives the impression of being "the answer", much like Blair did for us in 97, and look where that got us. I certainly hope that if Obama does win, as seems likely, that he does a better job than Blair did for us.

I look at the news when they are showing some Obama/McCain comparison stuff and always ask myself the same question, "Would I buy a used car from either of these men" ? Thus far, the answer has always been a resounding "No".

Hence my hope as above. Because it would be very foolish to presume that it doesn't really matter who ends up as President of the US, it affects, pretty much, just about every one on the planet too some degree!

Just my 2 pence worth!

regards

fatbloke
 
Wrathwilde said:
McCain has NO chance of winning this election without major election fraud flipping Obama votes to McCain.

If you think it's going too be close, take a look at the electoral maps, Obama pretty much has 364 electoral votes compared to McCain's 171 with 3 electoral votes up for grabs in North Dakota

Well for those of you who don't believe in Polls, Let's see how it Played out as compared to what I had listed above.

Final Tally of Electorial Votes.
Obama ~ 364 (exactly as predicted)
McCain ~ 174 (McCain took the 3 ECVs in ND. MO hasn't Declared but McCain Leads by 5,859 votes)

Like I predicted, McCain had no chance of winning this election, the media knew this of course... but did their best to "pretend" McCain had a chance. Probably to deflect criticisms of bias.

Semi-Related Rant ~ The Media's attempts to be "balanced" in it's current model (it's actually closer to manufactured controversy) does the public a great disservice. I think a better model would be Fair and Truthful Reporting. Examples would be the independent findings of a Commission or Study being refuted by guests who bring no data to support their disagreement, only slanders and contempt for the results presented before them, with nothing more to base their derision on than personal agenda or "belief". I don't know how many times I've seen the opposing sides resort to personal attacks (Conservatives far more often than Liberals), dismissals and/or scare tactics often completely irrelevant or even refuted by said study.

It's Giving time to that type of manufactured controversy in a effort to be balanced that pisses me off about main stream media. If you want to be balanced... here's an Idea, ask meaningful questions about the methodology, who the sample groups are, study the questions asked... were they leading? Let your audience have an overview so that they can determine things themselves. And above all the hosts should let their guests answer questions instead of cutting them off with shotgun questions to keep them off balance in an effort to undermine or suppress their position. (Fox News seems to Only Hire People whose goal in life is to never let an opposing viewpoint to be fully articulated.) It's why I can't stand to watch them. Even if I disagree with the guest I still want to hear a full explanation of what they have to say. I'm tired of all the Drama Queen hosts. I tune in to the news for just that, news. I'm not interested in watching Attack of the Rabid Drama Queen's truncated news hour.

Here Endeth the rant.

Cheers,
Wrathwilde

(Note -Use of the term "Drama Queen" in this rant is not meant to be Gender Specific, I consider Bill O'Reilly to be a Drama Queen)
 
Yup - the polls were pretty much right on in calling this one, this time.

That said, I've seen polls go wildly wrong in years past. This is the first time that most of them hit it within the statistical error margins; they're starting to learn lessons about how to ask questions and who to ask them of. Of course it might also be that enough of the electorate was dissatisfied enough about the current administration that they voted for what they perceived as change.

Will Obama bring real change? The jury's definitely still out on that one. The only thing that is sure, is that the combo of world economic uncertainty and other world instability would challenge any administration holding office in the next four years.
 
Change? No. Unless he meant change back to the Clinton years. His first three cabinet selections were part of, or involved with, the Clinton cabinet. There is no change coming.

If I went to a job interview, and I told them that I would make major changes to their company and make it profitable, and they hired me, what would happen to me after a few months when I had not fulfilled the promises made? I would be fired. Why can we not do the same to the President?

As for the press, I hate them. Not just the 'in your face' bias of those people on MSNBC/Fox/CNN/NBC/ABC etc.; they at least tell you where they are coming from so you are in no doubt about their political leanings. I hate those members of the press who try to pass themselves off as unbiased, unaffiliated reporters. They use subtle words that may seem innocuous, but gently push people in one direction or another. Example (this is an actual case, only the names have been changed because I cannot remember them off hand): two judges running for the Supreme Court of WI, one Liberal, the other Conservative. The description in the paper was: "Judge A, who is aligned with the liberal group Lib, and Judge B, who has ties with conservative group Con....." Seems fairly innocent and fair. Both judge's affiliations are being exposed. Good reporting. But look at the very careful selection of the wording. You can be aligned with the center of the Milky Way (i.e. heading through the Universe in the same direction), but still be 15,000 light years away. But if you have ties with something, you have direct contact and will most likely do as that group wants.

There are no reporters any more. There are just editorialists gently pushing their propoganda.

Angus
 
Angus said:
There are no reporters any more. There are just editorialists gently pushing their propoganda.

Angus

Unfortunately, "news" coverage isn't practiced by any of the mainstream media outlets any more. It just doesn't pay the bills. Entertainment, and as a subset of that, "subtle persuasion," sells.

There were some good things about the old "restricted" broadcast industry. Three commercial (and in some markets one "public") networks, and that was it. Everyone running individual stations and networks could afford to allow time for a little unbiased and fair reporting, since the fact that the news lost a little $$ didn't matter too much to the networks' and stations' bottom lines. With all the additional choices for media dividing up the pool of $$ for production and broadcast these days, if any program doesn't return a profit, no matter how valuable or noble it may be, it is gone in less than 13 weeks.
 
it should be made law for political candidates that if you give one free air time, you must give the others, including independents equal air time.

Here's just some proof;

replace xx with tt
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Just goes to show how the countrys POPULAR VOTE doesn't stand a chance against the bought-and-paid-for ELECTORAL VOTES.
Change? Oh yeah. You're gonna see change! 30 million illegals getting amnesty, gun rights down the sh*tter and more affirmative action than you could ever imagine. Should I also mention Iran, whom is going to get invaded, one way or the other and the draft will most likely come into effect?
This is just another classic example of a mock election and the tail wagging the dog.

:cheers:

DD