Re: Score!!! agree
wolf_tracker said:
agree about ron paul
just dont think enough other ppl will agree
I just got back from the Iowa Debates and the following Ron Paul Rally. I have to disagree with you Wolf_Tracker. I'm breaking meetings up into two sections, first The Presidential Debate. This included the Supposed front runner Romney and 5 other hopeful Republicans... they drew a crowd that was counted at around 750 people. The Hall where it was held had the seating sections broken up into groups of 100, so it was fairly easy to get accurate counts of the crowds. Of the people attending the Republican Debate, you know - the supposed audience, all of the people there that I talked to were people working/volunteering for the candidates... I didn't meet one person not connected with a campaign, I also didn't meet one person attending that debate that claimed to be from Iowa. That's not to say there weren't any concerned citizens there, just that of the dozen or so people I had conversations with out in the hall... All were affiliated with the candidates and drove in from out of state.
Ron Paul's rally on the other hand was filled with people from all over Iowa and the neighboring states, the 6 republican hopefuls were only able to fill 750 seats, we had over 1000 people turn up to see Ron Paul, of which I would say about 20 were volunteers for the campaign (that # includes his family members that were there). Now you might say, 1000... well that would be most of the 750 from the republican debate, plus a few hundred Ron Paul Supporters, big deal.
After the Republican debate ended we only witnessed about 50 make their way over to Ron Paul's rally afterward. It's not like they would have been hard to miss, there was only about 150 feet between the door entrances, along the same wall, so it was very easy to spot the people leaving one door and making their way to the other. No wishing away the numbers that way... Ron Paul drew 1000 people on the strength of his message, and this was with only one weeks notice. The Republican Debate had been in the pipeline for months and only drew 750! Yep only a fringe candidate with no chance of winning could pull those #'s so quickly.
Jim Guest (the Missouri State Congressman who gave an introductory speech for Ron Paul at the event) was asked (beforehand) to look into why the local media wasn't covering the event, his contacts (at the stations?) reported back that the FCC had contacted the stations and told them in no uncertain terms not to give coverage to Ron Paul's event. This isn't some wild conspiracy that was on the rumor mill at the event. I was standing right next to Congressman Jim Guest while he was explaining this to someone who had asked him why the major media wasn't here covering Ron Paul.
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I just got an email from another source that posted this story, and who was able to ask Jim Guest about the comments I relayed in my post... He claims he was just speculating.
It was a rather loud crowd, but I don't think I missed any of the conversation and it didn't come across as speculation, it came across as something that was checked on by him or his people. I guess we'll never know for sure.
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I would ask you not to give up or dismiss Paul so easily, he has a dedicated following that's growing, and if you agree with his stance I would urge you to not sit idly by in apathy, that's exactly why the country is in such trouble, we have been complacent in letting the Republicrats choose our leaders for us.
We have to let them know that we are going to take back the right to choose our own leaders... not just pick the lesser of two party evils.
We've got to let them know that it's going to start with this election. If we don't, then we may have missed our last and only chance to to save our freedoms, our Liberty... and our country from total financial collapse. And I'm dead serious about that last statement.
Every Taxpayer right now is on the hook for over $500,000 each in American debt, Social Security and Medicare obligations. That's every single one of us, right now,
if we stopped borrowing!!! It would take us 73 years to pay off this debt at our current taxation levels, according to USA Today.
The current administration and both houses are on the Gravy Train,
they are borrowing from foreign governments at the rate of 2 to 3 Billion Dollars a Day but even that isn't enough to cover our spending, so the government is printing more money to cover it's shortfall, causing the current slide in the dollar -
according to Ron Paul, and He should know, He presently serves on the House Committee on Financial Services and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.
The Federal Reserve tells us all is well and that we have a low inflation of about 2%, but that's only by deliberately excluding Gas, Housing, food and medical. If you include those in we are actually closer to 10% inflation per year. Now maybe you are one of the few who doesn't have housing, eat food, use any type of gas powered transport or need medical services... if so that's amazing!!! By the way
you are the only person in america who is sitting at 2%.
If we don't put the brakes on this right away our country will collapse... it may take 5, 10, 25 years but it will happen if we don't drastically reduce the size of our Federal Government, cut our borrowing, and stop pretending that it's the governments job to take care of us cradle to grave. That's your job, to look out for you and your own!!! And guess what... if you weren't paying 40-50% of your income to the government you could afford to send your kids to private school, you would be able to afford medical care, you would be able to save money without it being eaten away by inflation, and the federal government wouldn't be dictating how you should live your life... or threatening to lock you up for a wide range of (Nonviolent & Consensual) actions that should really be "your right" to engage in as a free citizen.
The Federal Government was set up with only one purpose in mind... to protect you from those who threaten to deny you your life, liberty and freedom.
We have been complacent, and stupid as a country not only to accept legislation against our freedoms, but we've taken it a lot further than that, we have citizens who are apathetic about their own freedom, and special interest groups who are quite literally demanding that the Government not only stop protecting our freedom and liberties, but actively petitioning and lobbying the Congress and the Senate to legislate away the inalienable rights of groups they disagree with. This has got to Stop!!! We cannot call ourselves a free country any longer. We cannot allow ANY Special Interest Group, Politician or President to pick and choose which citizens get which rights. People have to understand those rights are for all of us, because every exception will spawn another exception, then another, until the Government is the only one who has any rights... and that's the totalitarian state we supposedly abhor... but that's exactly what we are building. We have to return to the ideals set forth in the constitution before it's too late and Ron Paul is the Only candidate who is serious about doing just that.
I realize some people might want to debate this. If you don't want to do it on the forum, PM me and we can go back and forth by email. If you resort to name calling, or flaming I will not take your arguments seriously. All communications must be civil as well, I am offering this is for serious exchanges of ideas only.
Cheers,
Wrathwilde
call it networking now. Black raspberries are good, unfortunately most of mine are red(not as good imo).
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