Welcome lampie! I get up toward Leeuwarden on occasion. We should get.together. What have you made so far?
The Netherlands/Dutch Connection
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that is a good idea and love to meet some mead makers here in holland..
i will keep it at meads that i made
vanilla mead
raspberry mead
strawberry madame jeanet and habanero (posted the recipe on the group)
cucumber jalapeno
JAOM
will be botteling my hop infused mead and my tea infused mead next week.
planning this year:
birch sap / rosehip mead
strawberry mead with and without chillies
Lambic Mead
@giebel
For a mead I would advise to use glass bottles when you want to age the mead for a longer time.. its a lot better to clean and what I read on other forums that plastic bottles can give a nasty taste on your wine. I dont own a car and bought most of my stuff online at brouwmarkt.nl.. As said before here on the thread a glass 5 liter bottle cost about 10 euro and some shipping cost.. Its probably cheaper then traveling by train.. its quite an investment but think of all the lovely mead you can make and enjoy.
I also bottle my mead in grolsch bottles they are easy to get. Also i use about 2kg honey in a 5l brew so the mead tends to be quite heavy to drink and its about 15%.. And when i bottle then i always use 3/4 normal winebottles to give away as a present to family or friends.
i will keep it at meads that i made
vanilla mead
raspberry mead
strawberry madame jeanet and habanero (posted the recipe on the group)
cucumber jalapeno
JAOM
will be botteling my hop infused mead and my tea infused mead next week.
planning this year:
birch sap / rosehip mead
strawberry mead with and without chillies
Lambic Mead
@giebel
For a mead I would advise to use glass bottles when you want to age the mead for a longer time.. its a lot better to clean and what I read on other forums that plastic bottles can give a nasty taste on your wine. I dont own a car and bought most of my stuff online at brouwmarkt.nl.. As said before here on the thread a glass 5 liter bottle cost about 10 euro and some shipping cost.. Its probably cheaper then traveling by train.. its quite an investment but think of all the lovely mead you can make and enjoy.
I also bottle my mead in grolsch bottles they are easy to get
. Also i use about 2kg honey in a 5l brew so the mead tends to be quite heavy to drink and its about 15%.. And when i bottle then i always use 3/4 normal winebottles to give away as a present to family or friends.
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Thanks gents, when I start I'll definitely go for 5 liter batches for the first year or so, just to learn the basics.
I am still a wannabe without the hands on experience, so I thought the K2CO3 was just another type of nutrient. Thanks for the links.
I am still a wannabe without the hands on experience, so I thought the K2CO3 was just another type of nutrient. Thanks for the links.
I think making small batches first is a good way to go.. I still make 5l batches its more to find out what flavors i want and if i want to make a bigger batch i just take 2 x 5 liter with the same brew. This way you spread the risk of things going wrong.. I had to trow away some 25 liter brews because of an infection.. I was lucky it was not mead but beer and cider. those are not to expensive brews like mead, but it still hurts flushing it down the toilet.
Does anyone have experience with Rohament-P ? It's apparently not available in North America, but this posting has people saying it is a combination color stabilizer, juice extractor, and pectic enzyme. Bueller? Anyone?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.crafts.winemaking/5SiFB6zn72Q
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.crafts.winemaking/5SiFB6zn72Q
Hallo people,
A colleague lent me two ten-litres bottles. Now I am browsing Brouwmarkt. What are the alternatives for Fermaid K? I think the Wyeast yeast nutrient or the Tronozynol but I am not sure.
A colleague lent me two ten-litres bottles. Now I am browsing Brouwmarkt. What are the alternatives for Fermaid K? I think the Wyeast yeast nutrient or the Tronozynol but I am not sure.
Fermaid E is the European version of Fermaid K, but I haven't found it anywhere here in Europe (except through friends travelling elsewhere). Try using their DAP, of the Tronozyol (never used that but the Brits say it works okay).
In "De Wijkgaard" (mostly a reseller of Brouwland, the big Belgian shop) they have some nutrients from Vinoferm (http://www.dewijkgaard.nl/wijnbereiding-ingredienten-gistvoedingszouten_81/). I've used Nutrivit and Nutrisal (this one is just DAP) several times, and Cellvit once or twice (yeast extract).
When I started trying to follow some specific recipes from here it got a bit tricky, because I was trying to guess what amount of Nutrivit would be equivalent to Fermaid K. Anyway, by following the instructions in the packages it worked for me. The fermentation behaviour might just not be exactly the same as described for recipes using Fermaid stuff.
Brouwmarkt doesn't sell these anymore, but they sell their own generic yeast nutrient. I haven't tried it much, though.
About Rohament-P, never heard of it. After searching a bit I came to some contradictory information. Some people say it contains pectic enzyme, others that it should be used together with pectic enzyme. I couldn't find much, though.
When I started trying to follow some specific recipes from here it got a bit tricky, because I was trying to guess what amount of Nutrivit would be equivalent to Fermaid K. Anyway, by following the instructions in the packages it worked for me. The fermentation behaviour might just not be exactly the same as described for recipes using Fermaid stuff.
Brouwmarkt doesn't sell these anymore, but they sell their own generic yeast nutrient. I haven't tried it much, though.
About Rohament-P, never heard of it. After searching a bit I came to some contradictory information. Some people say it contains pectic enzyme, others that it should be used together with pectic enzyme. I couldn't find much, though.
The "gistvoedingszout" is DAP (magnify the label), I guess I will take my chance with the Wyeast or the Tronozynol. The Fermaid is referred to often by Dutch home brewers but it is not mentioned where they buy the stuff.
Fermaid E info
Here is info from Lallemand on Fermad E (in Portugese.
http://www.proenol.com/files/products/Fermaid_E_FT046-06.pdf
Here is how Goggle Translate processes it.....
Features
The FERMAID E® is a complex nutrient that once added
the wine provides the yeast nitrogen easily assimilable and
as essential growth factors for their
development and multiplication.
• compensates for deficiencies in nutrients (nitrogen easily
assimilable amino acids) and growth factors (sterols,
long chain fatty acids).
• It prevents the action of microbial inhibitors (fatty acids,
antibiotics) as well as a source of toxic substances
Exogenous (fungicides).
• Decreases the effect of the absence of colloids, balancing
musts very clarified.
• Allows a more regular and rapid kinetics of fermentation.
• Prevents metabolic deviations by the yeast, decreasing
production of volatile acidity and sulfur compounds.
• Increase the production of glycerol and decreases compounds
carbonyl, which combine with the sulfur, yielding
a better relationship free sulfur / sulfur combined.
Application field
Why look for the optimum development of yeast?
• For best performance of the inoculated yeast.
• To prevent fermentation stops.
• To remedy the fermentation stops or fermentations
slow.
• To avoid the formation of undesirable compounds (H2S).
The fermentation performance of the yeast is largely
conditioned by the presence of assimilable nitrogen, vitamins,
oxygen, arginine, mineral salts, unsaturated fatty acids and
sterols.
This large number of variables increases the likelihood of
occurrence of a shortage of one of these elements alone
can cause a stuck fermentation.
Composition
The unique and specific formulation E® is connected to FERMAID
a unique production method of inactive yeast that
constitute the "active ingredient" product, which is part of the new
generation fermentation activators.
The roles of each of the constituents are FERMAID E®
described below:
• inactive yeast cells: The inactive yeast is a
a source of amino acids, polysaccharides, chain fatty acids
long, sterols, vitamins and mineral elements vital to
cell activity. Its walls adsorb substances
toxic and inhibitory.
• diammonium phosphate (DAP) and diammonium sulfate, What do
part of easily assimilable nitrogen fraction (NFA). THE
N availability problems and avoids the fermentation
formation of aromas and unpleasant flavors.
• Silica Gel: exerts a supportive effect on the yeast.
• Thiamine: That is added in the form of hydrochloride. Thiamine
active alcoholic fermentation, increasing the population and
extending the duration of its activity. It acts as a regulator
in the latter stages of fermentation, limiting the production of
ketone compounds and aldehydes by the yeast.
Important Note: The transport of amino acids and the ammonium ion
wort occurs to the cell (yeast) through the membrane
plasma. For amino acids, this transport mechanism is
performed by an enzyme - the permease. Research
They demonstrated that the efficacy of this transportation system is
dependent on the concentration of sterols and fatty acids
unsaturated plasma membrane (Calderbank et al, 1985;
Prasad and Rose, 1986). The FERMAID E® by offering these principles
nutritious, improves the nitrogen nutrition of the yeast,
optimizing the fermentation efficiency.
Application Dose
• 20-60 g / hl: It is the recommended dose of FERMAID E®
How to Use
The FERMAID E® optimizes the fermentation phase, in response
the metabolic requirements of the yeast.
Two different types of treatment may be prescribed:
APPLICATION 1:
BREW START (FERMAID E® + LSA)
For a quick start of the alcoholic fermentation.
It offers three components essential to the effectiveness and longevity of
yeasts.
• It stimulates the multiplication of yeast (nitrogen)
• Enables the alcoholic fermentation (Thiamine)
• supporting effect and reducing the amount of toxins
APPLICATION 2: DURING THE BREW (FERMAID E® + Oxygen)
Oxygen: Apply after a drop of 10-20 points
density.
It allows the synthesis of sterols membrane.
• cellular permeability factor.
• Resistance to ethanol
• Ensures more complete fermentation of sugars.
FERMAID E®
: Apply after a drop of 30-40 points
density
• To ensure complete fermentations.
• Reactive transport of sugars (nitrogen).
• It stimulates the synthesis of sugar transport proteins to
within the yeast.
APPLICATION 3:
STOPS FOR BREW
In this situation the FERMAID E®
reinforces the success of the resumption of
fermentation process.
VINIFICATION F
Here is info from Lallemand on Fermad E (in Portugese.
http://www.proenol.com/files/products/Fermaid_E_FT046-06.pdf
Here is how Goggle Translate processes it.....
Features
The FERMAID E® is a complex nutrient that once added
the wine provides the yeast nitrogen easily assimilable and
as essential growth factors for their
development and multiplication.
• compensates for deficiencies in nutrients (nitrogen easily
assimilable amino acids) and growth factors (sterols,
long chain fatty acids).
• It prevents the action of microbial inhibitors (fatty acids,
antibiotics) as well as a source of toxic substances
Exogenous (fungicides).
• Decreases the effect of the absence of colloids, balancing
musts very clarified.
• Allows a more regular and rapid kinetics of fermentation.
• Prevents metabolic deviations by the yeast, decreasing
production of volatile acidity and sulfur compounds.
• Increase the production of glycerol and decreases compounds
carbonyl, which combine with the sulfur, yielding
a better relationship free sulfur / sulfur combined.
Application field
Why look for the optimum development of yeast?
• For best performance of the inoculated yeast.
• To prevent fermentation stops.
• To remedy the fermentation stops or fermentations
slow.
• To avoid the formation of undesirable compounds (H2S).
The fermentation performance of the yeast is largely
conditioned by the presence of assimilable nitrogen, vitamins,
oxygen, arginine, mineral salts, unsaturated fatty acids and
sterols.
This large number of variables increases the likelihood of
occurrence of a shortage of one of these elements alone
can cause a stuck fermentation.
Composition
The unique and specific formulation E® is connected to FERMAID
a unique production method of inactive yeast that
constitute the "active ingredient" product, which is part of the new
generation fermentation activators.
The roles of each of the constituents are FERMAID E®
described below:
• inactive yeast cells: The inactive yeast is a
a source of amino acids, polysaccharides, chain fatty acids
long, sterols, vitamins and mineral elements vital to
cell activity. Its walls adsorb substances
toxic and inhibitory.
• diammonium phosphate (DAP) and diammonium sulfate, What do
part of easily assimilable nitrogen fraction (NFA). THE
N availability problems and avoids the fermentation
formation of aromas and unpleasant flavors.
• Silica Gel: exerts a supportive effect on the yeast.
• Thiamine: That is added in the form of hydrochloride. Thiamine
active alcoholic fermentation, increasing the population and
extending the duration of its activity. It acts as a regulator
in the latter stages of fermentation, limiting the production of
ketone compounds and aldehydes by the yeast.
Important Note: The transport of amino acids and the ammonium ion
wort occurs to the cell (yeast) through the membrane
plasma. For amino acids, this transport mechanism is
performed by an enzyme - the permease. Research
They demonstrated that the efficacy of this transportation system is
dependent on the concentration of sterols and fatty acids
unsaturated plasma membrane (Calderbank et al, 1985;
Prasad and Rose, 1986). The FERMAID E® by offering these principles
nutritious, improves the nitrogen nutrition of the yeast,
optimizing the fermentation efficiency.
Application Dose
• 20-60 g / hl: It is the recommended dose of FERMAID E®
How to Use
The FERMAID E® optimizes the fermentation phase, in response
the metabolic requirements of the yeast.
Two different types of treatment may be prescribed:
APPLICATION 1:
BREW START (FERMAID E® + LSA)
For a quick start of the alcoholic fermentation.
It offers three components essential to the effectiveness and longevity of
yeasts.
• It stimulates the multiplication of yeast (nitrogen)
• Enables the alcoholic fermentation (Thiamine)
• supporting effect and reducing the amount of toxins
APPLICATION 2: DURING THE BREW (FERMAID E® + Oxygen)
Oxygen: Apply after a drop of 10-20 points
density.
It allows the synthesis of sterols membrane.
• cellular permeability factor.
• Resistance to ethanol
• Ensures more complete fermentation of sugars.
FERMAID E®
: Apply after a drop of 30-40 points
density
• To ensure complete fermentations.
• Reactive transport of sugars (nitrogen).
• It stimulates the synthesis of sugar transport proteins to
within the yeast.
APPLICATION 3:
STOPS FOR BREW
In this situation the FERMAID E®
reinforces the success of the resumption of
fermentation process.
VINIFICATION F
As far as I know, it's not possible to buy it in the Netherlands. I'm also not aware of anywhere in Belgium (Brouwland doesn't sell it).
By searching a bit in German (and I can't do much more than looking for "article x kaufen") I can find some results, either in Germany, Switzerland or Austria, but most of the times I can't really understand exactly if they sell it or ship it abroad.
I was able to buy some in Portugal some time ago, and I already spared what I could with a couple of GotMeaders in the area. I don't think I'll be buying it in the coming months again, though.
The company that sells it in Portugal (http://www.proenol.com/) also sells other Fermaid stuff, but the problem is that they only sell in large amounts, since they target wine producers. The smallest size of Fermaid E is a 1kg bag, which costed around €25, I think, plus something for shipping. Fermaid O and Goferm, for instance, are only available in 2,5kg bags.
By searching a bit in German (and I can't do much more than looking for "article x kaufen") I can find some results, either in Germany, Switzerland or Austria, but most of the times I can't really understand exactly if they sell it or ship it abroad.
I was able to buy some in Portugal some time ago, and I already spared what I could with a couple of GotMeaders in the area. I don't think I'll be buying it in the coming months again, though.
The company that sells it in Portugal (http://www.proenol.com/) also sells other Fermaid stuff, but the problem is that they only sell in large amounts, since they target wine producers. The smallest size of Fermaid E is a 1kg bag, which costed around €25, I think, plus something for shipping. Fermaid O and Goferm, for instance, are only available in 2,5kg bags.
I came across this this week, naturally after I put together my very first BOMM. It appears to be similar to the Fermaid and sold per kilo. The price is a bit steep for a newbee but if I can complete my first brew I might give it a chance.
https://www.brouwland.com/en/our-pr...trients/d/vitaferm-ultra-f3-1-kg#.VbFIGt91FAg
https://www.brouwland.com/en/our-pr...trients/d/vitaferm-ultra-f3-1-kg#.VbFIGt91FAg
I made a note of it in the http://www.gotmead.com/forum/group.php?discussionid=4&pp=10&page=2&do=discuss. Feel free to expand the lists.
Found this other thread about Fermaid E vs Fermaid K.... some good info
http://www.gotmead.com/forum/showthread.php/24256-Fermaid-K-in-Europe-Fermaid-E
http://www.gotmead.com/forum/showthread.php/24256-Fermaid-K-in-Europe-Fermaid-E
Honey & Bees Market in Eerbeek NL
Hi All,
Just found out there is a 'Honey & Bees Market' in Eerbeek NL. I guess you might be interested in looking for some new flavours of honey or mead and talk to fellow 'mead-thusiatics'. I know I am.
http://www.imkersverenigingeerbeek.nl/Honing_en_bijenmarkt
And I am glad to find out that I am not the only one spending time in finding replacements for the US ingredients in the BOMM.
Hi All,
Just found out there is a 'Honey & Bees Market' in Eerbeek NL. I guess you might be interested in looking for some new flavours of honey or mead and talk to fellow 'mead-thusiatics'. I know I am.
http://www.imkersverenigingeerbeek.nl/Honing_en_bijenmarkt
And I am glad to find out that I am not the only one spending time in finding replacements for the US ingredients in the BOMM.
I am SO there !!! At least for a while as I have a family party to go to in Den Bosch, and a stop in Amersfoort....but should be a great place to make contacts.... and not to far from Mr. Rogers too. Great tip, and welcome to GotMead, supertruus. Great to have you on board. Where are YOU located?
Hello Supertruus,
Groetjes uit Leiden
Leiden has something similar in the middle of June. They sell bees, apiary supplies, honey, garden plants and health products. I found out also there is a webshop that sells large bottles and cans of maple syrup in the Netherlands, named Maple Abroad. Nice for acerglyns. The Drie Bijen also was present with a stand.
Groetjes uit Leiden
Leiden has something similar in the middle of June. They sell bees, apiary supplies, honey, garden plants and health products. I found out also there is a webshop that sells large bottles and cans of maple syrup in the Netherlands, named Maple Abroad. Nice for acerglyns. The Drie Bijen also was present with a stand.
