I didn't understand why myself till I got into winemaking, actually... but if you think about it, what do we feed yeast? Dead yeast!
Adn yeah, if I'm off my supplements, even baked gluten-free bread is off the list because of the dead yeast...
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I didn't understand why myself till I got into winemaking, actually... but if you think about it, what do we feed yeast? Dead yeast!
Adn yeah, if I'm off my supplements, even baked gluten-free bread is off the list because of the dead yeast...
You in the Mensa community, Tiwas?
In another thread, I'd wonder how many mazers are in Mensa? In SCA?
Don't take it personally...I'd say this is not uncommon with an engineering degree, but there are so many actual engineers here, I'd be inclined to ask them for their expertise...
The question of being vegan is anathema to this site as mead, by definition, uses honey, which is an animal product.
I disagree, but it all comes down to how you raise kids. Where I'm from, you probably have at least two knives before starting school and I wouldn't even hesitate giving a knife (under supervision) to a three or four year old (depending on maturity). It'll be the hand they instinctively use when they need to focus
I disagree, but it all comes down to how you raise kids. Where I'm from, you probably have at least two knives before starting school and I wouldn't even hesitate giving a knife (under supervision) to a three or four year old (depending on maturity). It'll be the hand they instinctively use when they need to focus
When I said harder to quantify, I meant "it's harder for the people coming up with the statistics to actually count the kids who aren't even in school yet", differing from my suggestion in an earlier post that sometimes it takes a while to figure out which hand is dominant...
And yeah, I came from a generation where I ordered a knife by collecting Bazooka Joe comics and sending them in with an order form before I was ten. No parental consent required. Still have the knife too. Used to use it for blowing off caps (for cap guns etc) so it's not in great shape
Ok, I can see the problem in ordering 2 million knives and then visiting every single child to see how they handle a knife
And yeah, I came from a generation where I ordered a knife by collecting Bazooka Joe comics and sending them in with an order form before I was ten. No parental consent required. Still have the knife too. Used to use it for blowing off caps (for cap guns etc) so it's not in great shape
I took my ex's 6 y.o. to an army surplus store to buy a "scout knife" (the kind they use when they're scouts - extremely sharp, but made from soft metal (hence the sharpness, and also why it has to be replaced often)) and the guy behind the counter almost freaked out. Like he said himself - he wasn't sure if he liked the idea of supplying a knife to a young kid, but he liked the idea of kids being able to handle things like that...
Kind of impossible to deny it now, isn't it?
But...I'm kind of "the slow cousin" in Mensa ;D
My friend's sons are 6 and 8 and they both have knives. Apparently there's a whole Scouts knife safety handout and everything. Too bad I wasn't allowed in Scouts when I was a kid (it was boys only, for my area anyway), maybe I'd have fewer scars if someone had sat me down and outlined the stuff on that page instead of me having to learn it the hard way...
CG, not necessarily so. When I was young (age 8 or so), I got my first pocket knife as a reward for selling magazine subscriptions as part of a school fundraiser. I never had a minute of instruction with it, except for my Dad's caution to be careful (very helpful!), and I still have all parts of all 10 fingers, and I still have that knife somewhere around here - it's a really cool one with a grey bone handle and... I digress. Anyway, my son got his knife as part of a Cub Scout training exercise in how to whittle, and he promptly whittled away part of his left thumb. He's still got the scar, and a healthy respect for all things sharp and pointy! ;D
Yeah, I suppose if you're a total uncoordinated klutz like I am, you're going to hurt yourself eventually anyway even if you did take the safety course
and for some of us, pain isn't as good a teacher as others so it takes a couple of times before we figure out to cut AWAY from self, not TOWARDS self, I've even cut myself with vegetable peelers... I am kind of surprised that I never did myself any serious damage... but yeah, my right hand is full of scars from various knives slipping off whatever I was carving and into the hand I was holding it with... I think the x-acto blade across the thumbpad will forever haunt my fingerprints... at least I don't cut myself too often with the kitchen knives. And I've figured out how to use a chisel for carving, much safer to not be holding the piece you're working on!
Only way to learn that knives are (or should be) sharp (dull knives are more dangerous) - cut yourself
Only way to learn that it hurts falling down from a tree - climb up and fall down
etc etc
I don't even remotely remember when I got my first knife... I grew up in the country, so I might have been as young as 4 years old or something? My dad always told me the important things were these: cut away from your hand and away from the rest of your body, at all times. When walking with a knife in your hand (or any sharp object) carry it so that the pointy end points "backwards" or "down" so that if you trip and fall you're more likely to stab yourself somewhere non-vital.
Good advice, kept me safe!
Absolutely - except there is an ever growing group of people who are ditching honey from their personal definition of vegan. Honey as an animal product (technically sure, it is one) kinda misses the original spirit of why someone becomes vegan in the first place, and that's just to do good in the world. Eventually many vegans realize that consuming honey actually does more good for the world than it does slight harm to bees, so back on the honey they go. (Plus, in my ex girlfriend's words: "they're bugs" ;D)
So they'd call themselves "vegan, except for honey" (which is better than "vegitarian, but I also don't eat: eggs, dairy, any products even remotely containing animal products, also don't wear leather, or wool, or buy products glued together with animal based glue..." and so on for about an hour or two of talking!).
Good advice, kept me safe!
Absolutely - except there is an ever growing group of people who are ditching honey from their personal definition of vegan. Honey as an animal product (technically sure, it is one) kinda misses the original spirit of why someone becomes vegan in the first place, and that's just to do good in the world. Eventually many vegans realize that consuming honey actually does more good for the world than it does slight harm to bees, so back on the honey they go. (Plus, in my ex girlfriend's words: "they're bugs" ;D)
So they'd call themselves "vegan, except for honey" (which is better than "vegitarian, but I also don't eat: eggs, dairy, any products even remotely containing animal products, also don't wear leather, or wool, or buy products glued together with animal based glue..." and so on for about an hour or two of talking!
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Yowza!
Now that I'm taking the time to look at the page 3 notes here, this thread's makin' me hungry! Just got up and made myself a skillet full of potato pancakes!
Now that I'm taking the time to look at the page 3 notes here, this thread's makin' me hungry! Just got up and made myself a skillet full of potato pancakes!
Go Irish on the cheese. Those are some seriously happy cows. They get fed the spent grain from Jameson and Guiness...
I'm with you on the bison, venison, etc. A cow is nearly always a CAFO product.
At what point does something become an animal product by Vegan definition? For example - If I pick up an organic apple, there's a good chance it is the direct result of a bee's pollination, along with the animal manure used to fertilize the tree, and I'm essentially taking it out of the mouth of some hungry deer who would gladly eat it if I wasn't able to get to it first. So if honey isn't acceptable, why are apples? I'm not being sarcastic here, I'm actually curious to understand the definition.
An additional question is, do Vegans eschew leather goods?
I guess it's about respecting the ownership rights of animals?
The deer doesn't lay claim to the apple at the point at which it was taken in the same way that the bees lay claim to the honey they produced.
But IMO dissing honey is just silly. The same goes for dairy products, and unfertile eggs really. If cows, bees and chickens create more than they make use of/need of these things, it'd be a waste to not harvest it.
The deer doesn't lay claim to the apple at the point at which it was taken in the same way that the bees lay claim to the honey they produced.
But IMO dissing honey is just silly. The same goes for dairy products, and unfertile eggs really. If cows, bees and chickens create more than they make use of/need of these things, it'd be a waste to not harvest it.
I agree honey as non-vegan is silly (so did my vegan girlfriend). The reason it's considered an animal product is that it's not just something that came about through their actions, like an apple - it's something they made specifically for themselves. We drug them with smoke and "steal" their food, and yes, sometimes a few bees even get hurt in the process.
That's the difference, it's a pretty big one really. That said, A: They're bugs! and B: They make way more honey than they need anyways! We just take their surplus and give them one hell of a healthcare system in return. And C: Bees are ultra important to the environment and our agriculture. Beekeeping is a huge part of the current bee population, and those are the people funding the research to save them.
So at the end of the day, does taking their honey do bees some harm? Yes, some get hurt/killed sometimes (occasionally squished when the combs are being removed I think is what happens?), no real way around that. But - does beekeeping do vast amounts of good, for the bees, for us as people, for the environment? Yup, and in my opinion the good far outweighs the bad.
As to stuff like leather - yes, most vegans don't buy leather products, or anything made with animal products at all. This depends on why the person is vegan though. Someone who's vegan for just health reasons won't care about leather, but someone who's vegan for ethical reasons would care.
