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mmmmm...pork bellies...

We're done with testing for the day and I put in Kung Fu Panda to occupy them until the bell rings. Now I want pork AND noodles. :)
 
Tiwas said:
You should try our traditional belly pork (is that right? That's what the aussies called it) if you ever come in winter. It's soooooo good :D And it's actually pretty cheap :)
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Bacon? Pork belly is the best part of the pig (I can't stand "ham" but love bacon), so many different ways it can be prepared too. I can never remember all the different names, I know bacon only loosely applies to a few different ways of preparing it.
 
Funny story I just thought of - I was talking to my Ukrainian grandma about veganism, and she said she couldn't picture a "hearty" stick-to-the-ribs vegitarian dish (let alone vegan), all she could picture was light stuff.

Nearly made me fall out of my chair laughing! Ukraine has some of the finest vegitarian and vegan food in the world, and it's about as heavy and hearty as it gets! Perogi - vegitarian normally, and actually the way my family makes them they're vegan until they pour the cream on them. Peteshkeh (can't spell that at all, like perogi, but it's more like a bun filled with potatoe rather than a normal dumpling) is also vegitarian (not vegan). And the cabbage rolls she makes happen to be already 100% vegan!

Every Xmas she'd make my girlfriend some bizarre gross thing to eat, like buckwheat and onions... all the while she's already making top notch vegan food and doesn't even know about it! ;D
 
I wish I knew how to properly write peteshkeh down so I could link to what it is and show you, it's amazing, tiny buns full of potatoe and cottage cheese, then the whole pan of them is drenched in heavy cream.
 
AToE said:
I wish I knew how to properly write peteshkeh down so I could link to what it is and show you, it's amazing, tiny buns full of potatoe and cottage cheese, then the whole pan of them is drenched in heavy cream.
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Yeah, sounds wonderful. Then I could spend two weeks with gas and waiting for the exema/psoriasis to clear up afterwards ;)
 
I tried to go vegetarian in high school but considering that I wasn't the cook for the household and was holding a part-time job too, I wasn't getting the proteins I needed and didn't have the control over my food to get it right, and started dropping weight and I was already off the low end of the body mass index scale (not so much with the skinny anymore, metabolism finally settled down when I hit 25 and I put on almost 50 lbs from high school to my top weight).

Now I settle for getting farm eggs whenever I can, upping the protein in a dish by hiding things like legumes in it, getting free range stuff when I can afford it, and every couple years I find enough freezer space for half a cow and I know the farmer...

The best new year's resolution I ever made was to start making a conscious effort get my 5 fruits and veggies every day. Over 2 years, I dropped and have kept off 15 lbs by doing just that. The benefits are that since I'm full of apples and carrots, I'm not as hungry for breads/pastas so portion control is a lot easier, I don't have as many energy crashes as I used to because the body has to work a bit to get the nutrients out of fruits and veggies, and I'm getting enough fibre, which I'm pretty sure I wasn't doing before. The hunter-gatherer diet seems to work well for me. Except for the occasional emergency croissant, onion rings, bag of sour cream and onion potato chips or Ah Caramel... but hey, when ya gotta have it, ya gotta have it. Moderation in all things, including moderation.
 
Tiwas said:
Yeah, sounds wonderful. Then I could spend two weeks with gas and waiting for the exema/psoriasis to clear up afterwards ;)
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Yeah, I think Ukrainians not having gone extinct is good evidence for carbs not being quite as bad as we might think they are! They must seriously get 90% of their calories from potatoes.
 
Chevette Girl said:
The best new year's resolution I ever made was to start making a conscious effort get my 5 fruits and veggies every day. Over 2 years, I dropped and have kept off 15 lbs by doing just that. The benefits are that since I'm full of apples and carrots, I'm not as hungry for breads/pastas so portion control is a lot easier, I don't have as many energy crashes as I used to because the body has to work a bit to get the nutrients out of fruits and veggies, and I'm getting enough fibre, which I'm pretty sure I wasn't doing before. The hunter-gatherer diet seems to work well for me. Except for the occasional emergency croissant, onion rings, bag of sour cream and onion potato chips or Ah Caramel... but hey, when ya gotta have it, ya gotta have it. Moderation in all things, including moderation.
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Yeah, I need to get back on making smoothies every day, it's the only way I get enough fruit, and it's a nice place to cram in suppliments like nutritional yeast (which is seriously awesome for cooking with, I make a nutritional yeast gravy that my grandma would be jealous of!).
 
AToE said:
I wish I knew how to properly write peteshkeh down so I could link to what it is and show you, it's amazing, tiny buns full of potatoe and cottage cheese, then the whole pan of them is drenched in heavy cream.
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I wish that I knew exactly how to write this one down, too. Unfortunately, what you're trying to spell phonetically doesn't correlate to any of the variants of dumplings or buns that I know of in Polish, Ukranian or Russian. From what you're describing, it seems like these could either be variants of either Pirozhki or Vareniki, or Uszka.

The trouble with trying to know exactly what you're talking about is that the Ukranians who emigrated to Canada in the latter part of the 1800's thru the early 1900's settled in some isolated areas, and ended up speaking a kind of Canad-Ukranian-English, which changed some aspects of the original mother tongue, mixing it with the Scot-inflected English common in central Canada at that time. So, you guys have some unusual words (or at least unusual pronunciations) for some things that are otherwise common to Poland-Ukraine-Lithuania-Belarus.
 
wayneb said:
I wish that I knew exactly how to write this one down, too. Unfortunately, what you're trying to spell phonetically doesn't correlate to any of the variants of dumplings or buns that I know of in Polish, Ukranian or Russian. From what you're describing, it seems like these could either be variants of either Pirozhki or Vareniki, or Uszka.

The trouble with trying to know exactly what you're talking about is that the Ukranians who emigrated to Canada in the latter part of the 1800's thru the early 1900's settled in some isolated areas, and ended up speaking a kind of Canad-Ukranian-English, which changed some aspects of the original mother tongue, mixing it with the Scot-inflected English common in central Canada at that time. So, you guys have some unusual words (or at least unusual pronunciations) for some things that are otherwise common to Poland-Ukraine-Lithuania-Belarus.
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That's a good point. My Ukrainian family has been here for a little over 100 years on my grandfather's side, not sure how long for my grandmother's family. (other half of my family is British)

My grandparents say the "real" word for perogi is petteheh (trying to think of a better way to try to write that... it's "pet-e-heh" all of the "E"s in there are the same sound, like in the word "pet"). In all my recent online reseach, this is not a ukrainian word for dumpling at all, neither is anything that looks phonetically even CLOSE to peteshkeh (you can see though how similar that word is to their word for perogi, so they're probably from the same language).

This is weirding me out, I wonder if there was some other ethnicity we're not thinking of right now that passed off some words to my family, because those words aren't even close to any ukrainian words I've found. And it's not just my close family either, we're talking about a family with hundreds and hundreds of people in it, they all seem to use these words. AND they all insist they're just speaking ukrainian!
 
Ok, what we call perogi and my granparents call peteheh looks like the same thing as varenyky. It's just potatoe dough filled with potatoes, half-circle shape.

Pirozhki seems to be similar to what we call peteshkeh, but looking at wikipedia for Ukrainian cuisine, the ukrainian word should be Pyrizhky (not even close to our name).

It's funny, neither our perogies or peteshkeh or cabbage rolls EVER have meat in them. The perogies are often fried in a pan with bacon and onions after being boiled, but in my whole life I have never seen a family member put meat inside of something. (But, the Ukrainian half of my ex's family did put bacon inside the cabbage rolls, also, her family makes cabbage rolls with sour cabbage, ours are different, see below).

Our cabbage rolls seem to be unique too, they're made with non-sour cabbage (not sure what the norm is elsewhere) and filled with rice and onion. They're then stacked into a baking pan and thoroughly drenched in tomato sauce, so they cook in the sauce and are served with it (it turns into more of just a red coating than a sauce by the end).

Whenever I see someone putting meat into a cabbage roll or perogi it just seems weird and wrong to me!
 
Other ethnic influence, possibly, but it might just be a combination of that English-Ukranian mixing, along with a couple of folks being hard of hearing along the way!

Even my experience with Polish here in N. America suggests that two things have happened - there are definite Polish-American variant pronunciations of some words, and others (according to some of my Polish European friends, anyway) are pronounced over here in an archaic accent that hasn't been used in Poland since back in the 1800's. There are regional variants that take hold in every language as time goes on, and as more and more time elapses, those variants diverge to the point where their respective speakers can't understand each other any more.

Oh, and the ways my extended family made stuffed cabbage rolls (including Polish, Slovak, Ukrainian, Slovenian variations), there were versions with meat, and without, as well as versions with rice, or with barley, and with tomato sauce, vs. a sweet/sour sauce spiced with caraway that had no tomatoes in it whatsoever.

BTW - I can see where Pirozhki could morph into Pyrizhky (Russian to Ukrainian "classic" pronunciations), which under the influence of some Scots-English could have changed further into Pereshky, and eventually Peteshkeh. That softening of the "ee" sound represented by a "i" or "y" in the original spellings into an "eh" sound is common in many language adaptations. Likewise, a trilled "r" can easily be truncated into a sound similar to a "t." I don't think you're too far from the truth with your call that your peteshkeh are actually pirozhki.
 
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They seem pretty similar. Ours are a distinct brick shape, not rounded, and always have the same fillings, but that could easily just be a family tradition.

Good call on that pronunciation change explanation, I never would have figured it out, seemed like too much of a stretch!
 
AToE said:
??? I somehow have managed to not understand that "at least we're not gorillas" joke entirely! Seriously, I'm lost. But jokes become not funny if they're explained... so I'm screwed either way it seems. :(
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This was a PUN following a note about being "leftist."
 
AToE said:
Yeah, I need to get back on making smoothies every day, it's the only way I get enough fruit, and it's a nice place to cram in suppliments like nutritional yeast (which is seriously awesome for cooking with, I make a nutritional yeast gravy that my grandma would be jealous of!).
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Believe it or not, I have to seriously watch my yeast intake... candidasis is a bit*h... fortunately I found a supplement that mostly works like the diet (which I will not submit to again short of as a lifesaving measure) so I can have wine and sugar and normal carbs in moderation.
 
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